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Nope, I don't think you ventured in to the wrong topic. The resurrection of the specific body of Messiah Ekklesia (church) occurs early in or before the end time tribulation period. You mentioned about those who are resurrected during to after the tribulation period and those that are...

Didn't think it was worth commenting on. Seemed self explanatory. I have never really focused on who gets raised at the end of the tribulation or even if anyone is. I think the final resurrection at the end of the 1000 years is everyone who wasn't raised at a earlier time. So nolo contedere.

They did not rise from their graves when He died, they rose after His resurrection. Matthew 27:52-53 (NKJV) and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and...

According to Isaiah, the righteous dead before the indignation, or tribulation period. It is prefaced in the same passage that it will be at the start of the birth pains. Jeremiah says those birth pains are the "time of Jacob's trouble" which is a recognized reference to the tribulation period...

Yep. Just a hatchet job on others with no substantive rebuttal to what is posted. Sign of the times. Some early church writers said that the apostasy will be characterized by attacks on Christians by other Christians and it will escalate to even a point of causing death. I guess we might be...

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Problem is, there is even discussion of a removal of the righteous before the final calamities that come upon the earth.... in the Book of Enoch, part of the Qumran scrolls, circa 150-100 BC. Many wonder why a pre-tribulation would happen, as if it is some hopeful escapism. Well Enoch...

Yes you did. You said that I "disingenuously altered that". That was a lie and a defamation. Now from what I see from common law and the scripture, is that to bring false charges against another is an unwarranted attack and a violation of the 9th commandment. That is blatant and malicious...

You make a valid point about a resurrection with an interesting tie in to those redeemed who are alive, but not that a rapture is not being discussed. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV Strong's) For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the...

Focus on the words..... "them" "they". It is referring to those who are not believers. it has nothing to do with believers. To impose that passage on the church to support a defection from the truth idea is not within the context of the passage. it is speaking of those outside the body. It...

Please show us in the Greek of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 what is being departed from. It isn't there. To assert that the faith, truth, etc is what is being departed from in interjecting ones interpretation and world view in the text and not solely translation. Even the verb form of apostosia...

I and many theologians and expositors disagree.

I am not convinced that it is speaking of the ekklessia / church. There are ample passages in both OT and NT that show the redeemed are removed prior to the great calamities. But there will be those who, because of that removal and what is coming upon the earth, wake up and turn to the...

ahh, be careful! You are making an accusation that implies willful intent to deceive. Not a good thing there, man. And accusation that you cannot prove is a violation of the 9th commandment. What I posted was a direct copy and paste from the NKJV. I don't need to alter anything. And how the...

Two Greek lexicon's list the primary meaning of apostasia as "defection" or "revolt," but also gives "departure" as a secondary meaning. Liddell and Scott's A Greek-English Lexicon provides an example from the 6th century A.D. and G. W. H. Lampe's A Patristic Greek Lexicon provides an example...

You left off the context yet again.... John 17:20-21 (NKJV ) I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You...

Well, I guess you do not believe in the Bible as "Bible" is not mentioned. And you must not hold to the Doctrine of the Trinity, as "trinity" is not the in Bible. There are many solid theology positions that are not mentioned specifically by name in the Bible. But do you hold to the "rapture"...

Are you sure your read those passages? Isaiah 26:19-21 (NKJV) Your dead shall live; Together with my dead body they shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; For your dew is like the dew of herbs, And the earth shall cast out the dead. 20 Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut...

I may not have all the pieces figured out, but you actually changed the text of the scripture of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 in a previous post while claiming I did. I then produced 3 different examples of the same text. One from Genevabible.org, another from a screen shot of a scanned copy of the...

I believe I do know what I am saying... Genesis 12:3 (NKJV) I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Jeremiah 31:35-37 (NKJV) Thus says the Lord, Who gives the sun for a light by day, The ordinances of...