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  1. Copperhead

    Rapture Day (Catching up of Believers) is very Near!!

    You already have been caught in other threads manipulating the very words of scripture, and ample evidence was presented to that effect. You continue to ignore that sin. None of what you post is worthy of consideration.
  2. Copperhead

    Rapture Day (Catching up of Believers) is very Near!!

    Will respectfully disagree. The scripture I posted seems pretty clear. One doesn't have to allegorize anything to see it. Just letting it say what it does.
  3. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    That in no way negates that they are still the Abrahamic Covenant, an unconditional covenant, and they have a distinct place the plan of the Lord. Much of what has happened and will happen in the end times has national, corporate Israel in mind. And there are many warnings in scripture towards...
  4. Copperhead

    Rapture Day (Catching up of Believers) is very Near!!

    The timing some use may be in dispute, but the concept is valid. And when I say the timing may be in dispute, I mean the division between pre-trib, mid-trib, and pre-wrath positions. Post trib doesn't qualify. Isaiah 26:19-21 (NKJV) Your dead shall live; Together with my dead body they shall...
  5. Copperhead

    Don't be left Behind on Rapture Day!!

    And not one hint of remorse for sin that you committed here for all to see. And you persist in that same sin yet. You have been given ample opportunity to realize your blatant mistake in rewriting the passage you posted from 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and was proven you had done it by the evidence I...
  6. Copperhead

    Don't be left Behind on Rapture Day!!

    Sure, there are other translations from the KJV onward that show a falling away. The point that I have argued is that virtually all English translations prior to the KJV and even the Latin Vulgate show a departure. Also, this assertion is supported by many Greek scholars and expositors that...
  7. Copperhead

    Don't be left Behind on Rapture Day!!

    Well, the version of the 1599 Geneva that I posted was a direct copy and paste from the Olive Tree bible software on my computer. I did not change a thing. I now present the same passage from Genevabible.org ...... 3 (*) Let no man deceive you by any means, (3) for that day shall not come...
  8. Geneva

    Geneva

    2 Thessalonians 2:3
  9. Copperhead

    Don't be left Behind on Rapture Day!!

    Let's actually be honest....... 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (1599 Geneva Bible) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. It has to be some sort of Darby fixation, or at the...
  10. Copperhead

    Don't be left Behind on Rapture Day!!

    Davy, a pre 70th week removal was in view long before Darby. That you seem to be not aware of that exhibits a lack of historical facts. The 1599 Geneva Bible was put together before Darby came on the scene and it translates apostasia in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 as simply departure, just as many...
  11. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    You really love to lump things together. While at the same time you and those like you are doing the very same thing you are decrying. You are stating that all Messianic Jews today are teaching another Yeshua (Jesus). You obviously know none of them. Of course there are some bad apples in...
  12. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    Where is the contradiction? Jude backs up the same idea that there was a special place reserved for angels that got totally out of line. That many see the specific Greek "tartarus" used by Peter as a deep abode of woe as far below hades as the earth is below heaven is not a stretch in the...
  13. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    I have no clue what Peter thought about it since I have never met Peter yet and discussed it with Him. But there are instances in scripture where even Paul quoted extra Biblical stuff. Do we throw those out? Hardly. But it is very sound hermeneutics to see how a word was used in secular...
  14. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    You are walking on very thin ice. The entire NT was written by Messianic Jews. Peter is a Messianic Jew. Paul is also as was John. Even Luke, it can be effectively argued that he was Messianic Jew, not a gentile as tradition has claimed. Was Luke a Gentile? Paul was very forward about...
  15. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    Joel 3:1-2 (NKJV) "For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel...
  16. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    Not in his treatise "The Jews and Their Lies". He really stepped on his duffle bag when he wrote that. It is pure hatred that is about as far from being Christian as one can get. And folks wonder how the Nazi's dreamed up the stuff they did to the Jews in the Holocaust.... they read Martin...
  17. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    Don't try to give the impression I am saying something that I am not. All I stated was there are many points that the Talmud actually gets right, though there is a significant portion that it gets in error. Just like any commentary on the scripture. After all, that is what the Talmud is...
  18. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    Really... the whole lot of it? There is a story in the Talmud, where a gentile came to the sage Hillel and asked him to teach all of the Torah while standing on one foot. Hillel stood on one foot and responded.... "That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole...
  19. Copperhead

    Is The Rapture A Literal Event?

    Error. Those that are taken in Matthew 24 are those who are fit for destruction. The context was shown in the verses previous to that who was taken in Noah's time. The condemned. Remaining in context, those that are taken are those who are condemned, not those who are righteous and...