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Tell that to the believers in N. Korea and Sudan.

Not surprising stuff like that is growing in intensity. Yet another signal that the end of rapidly approaching. As Bob Dylan sang.... there is a slow train coming up around the bend.

Well, Paul seemed to say in his 2nd letter to the Thessalonians that the departure / our gathering to the Lord, would be a part of the Day of the Lord and occur before the son of perdition is revealed. And since we will not precede those who are asleep, that means they get a head start (well...

If you say so. But the context of 2 Thessalonians 2, right in verse 1, is the day of the Lord and our gathering to Him. And that day (day of the Lord from verse 1) will not come until the departure/apostasia of verse 3. And virtually every English translation prior to the KJV, and even the...

Well, one needs to see who Yahweh considers His elect.... Isaiah 45:4 (NKJV) For Jacob My servant's sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me. No conflict. The believers are saints/elect, but that doesn't preclude...

I do. The Greek behind the text suggests that as does the context of the passage. Paul did remind them the he had told them this before, and 1 Thessalonians talks of our being caught up to be with the Lord. I realize that some will disagree. Heck, that is the nature of a family of brothers...

Nice tidbit! I am not really well versed on Jasher. Will have to take at look at that when I get a chance! Thanks! Cliff

Indeed! But He will not return until that happens. That corporate turning of the Hebrew people to Him by acknowledging their offense of rejecting Him, turning to Him, and petitioning for His return is the condition for His return. Nothing else will cause Him to return physically on this...

But again, Helen, Yeshua (Jesus) was very clear that the tribulation of the last days would be far worse than anything else that has happened in the history of the earth. That would include the events that brought on the flood during the time of Noah. It is not accurate to equate what has...

At what point before the 7th seal? Seems kind of strange at the 7th seal or even just before it given the events of the previous 6 seals. When has 1/4 of the earths population been killed in one swoop as the 4th seal mentions? And when was peace taken from the entire earth as mentioned in...

Why not, Stan? Is it so hard to conceive that the event of the removal of the righteous would cause many to finally realize that what the scripture says of the Messiah is true? And if they act on that realization, they would finally believe and trust in Messiah, thus there would indeed be...

Something that doesn't seem to get mentioned is the details of.... 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NKJV) Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, The Greek apostasia in that passage, many...

Now that is something we can agree on! Come quickly Lord Jesus!

That works both ways. Just because you are convinced of something doesn't mean you are not deceived. Since the various eschatological positions are not a condition of salvation, then it might be wise to express one's views either way with a sense of humility instead of condemnation. You are...

Well, none of the believers in the past or present who have or are facing persecution have dealt with...... Matthew 24:21 (NKJV) For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Nothing like it has come...

While many berate those who believe in a pre-trib removal of the righteous, those who do hold a PT removal are all inclusive.... everyone who has placed their trust in Yeshua gets to catch the bus out of here, even those who fight tooth and nail against the idea. Not a person who has placed...

Except nothing posted confirmed the assertion that the man of sin is revealed and such **before** Yeshua gathers the redeemed. It does support the assertion that Jacob (Israel) becomes the focus. After all, Yeshua said in Hosea and affirmed in Matthew that He would not return until they...

Just because I didn’t mention every aspect of the Assyrian no way implies I missed anything. I know some like to write college dissertations as posts on the forum. But it seems to be clear in places like Isaiah that the reference to the future Antichrist is as “ the Assyrian”. And it seems...

That would be going too far. I just like the name Yeshua. I like saying it, I like writing it, etc. That literally in the Hebrew it means exactly who the Messiah is.... the salvation of Yahweh. Just like the angel told Joseph. One could also use the name Immanuel as that is what He was...

But the German/English name "Jesus" was also not used in the Greek OT just like it wasn't used in the Greek NT. The translation to the Greek Iesous is literally the translation of the Hebrew Joshua/Y'hoshua/Yeshua. The Latin Vulgate also does not use "Jesus" but instead the translation is...