Bobby Jo
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... Paul wrote that the departure / removal / rapture must occur before the man of sin / son of perdition / antichrist / beast is revealed.
I believe what you accredit to Paul is not what he was conveying!
Bobby Jo
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... Paul wrote that the departure / removal / rapture must occur before the man of sin / son of perdition / antichrist / beast is revealed.
I believe what you accredit to Paul is not what he was conveying!
Bobby Jo
While many berate those who believe in a pre-trib removal of the righteous, those who do hold a PT removal are all inclusive.... everyone who has placed their trust in Yeshua gets to catch the bus out of here, even those who fight tooth and nail against the idea. Not a person who has placed their trust in Messiah will be "left behind".
1 Thessalonians 4:18 (NKJV) Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Why are we being told our Salvation depends upon believing in a man-conceived doctrine? How come neither God, Jesus, nor the Apostles ever said that?
In the Matthew 24:29-31 version, Jesus showed His saints from Heaven being gathered, i.e., the 'asleep' saints Paul said Jesus will bring with Him when He comes.
Well, one needs to see who Yahweh considers His elect....
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That's just an attempt to change the subject. The subject is about the gathering of Christ's saints, and the timing, as per the Matthew 24, Mark 13, and 1 Thessalonians 2 chapters.
... 1 Thessalonians talks of our being caught up to be with the Lord. ...
Or how about because we can't know the day or the hour, that we can't know the week; month; season; year (1); decade (10); score (20); century (100; daytona (500); or millennia (1,000)?!?
And then John says" "I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb" . . “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come **OUT** of the great tribulation." Rev 7:9
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Matthew 24:35-36 (NKJV) Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. 36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
"that day and hour" follows what is being talked about in the previous verse. ...
Yeah, and I wouldn't connect your "day and hour" with the following verses, because they might refute the distortions which you contrive:
Matt. 24:37 As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
So PLEASE pick and choose how you parse Scripture to make a TRUTH into a deception by your omissions.
Whew,
Bobby Jo
... 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.
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and WE'RE ALREADY IN THE TRIBULATION. -- Of which you probably believe lasts a FALSE "7-years", according to a FALSE "seventieth week of Daniel", instead of the TRUE 42 months of Rev. 13.
... GT is indeed the last 3.5 years / 42 months not the full 7. ...
See? You don't even know the first thing about Bible prophecy, and here you are telling others what to think, believe, and anticipate.
THERE AIN'T NO SEVEN YEARS! -- Can I make that any more CLEAR?
Now if you want to find out what Daniel 9 DOES SAY then we can have that discussion. But it ain't what the LIARS (commentators) have told us, and it ain't what our HIRELINGS have told us, and it ain't what you've said.
Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever, -- (Don't you LOVE that saying?)
Bobby Jo
Ok. You have continued to step over the line and insult and make slanderous accusations. You are no longer worthy of brotherly dialogue. You need to seek forgiveness. You definitely are not exhibiting the fruit of the spirit. I am not called to judge a person's justification, but I can observe fruit. We are done.