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  1. Copperhead

    The thief on the cross !?

    Well, Jude and Peter reference quotes from the Book of Enoch, a non-canonical book. The list of non canonical references in the NT alone is broad. Book of Jasher Epistle to the Laodiceans Martyrdom of Isaiah Assumption of Moses The Targum of Genesis If it were not the reference to Enoch by...
  2. Copperhead

    The thief on the cross !?

    So then you are saying, anything you might have to say on these issues is also of no value? After all, anything you might have to comment on is not canon either, including how you use one verse in relation to another that is outside the immediate context of the verse. Your argument is used to...
  3. Copperhead

    The thief on the cross !?

    I guess Enoch and Elijah come to mind, along with Moses who was seen along with Elijah in Matthew 17:3. It is feasible to also assume that when Yeshua said that "no man has ascended" could mean under their own power, like Yeshua did. Indeed, no man has ascended to heaven on their own, but...
  4. Copperhead

    The thief on the cross !?

    Well, I didn't "cobble" a theory and the scripture is not totally silent. I do know what the early church writers had to say about it. Until I read their stuff, I hadn't really been motivated to give it a lot of thought. But, Dr. Norman Geisler did all the leg work for us on the Matthew 27...
  5. Copperhead

    The thief on the cross !?

    When looking at the Parable of Lazarus and the rich guy, we need to also keep something else in mind. Matthew 27:52 regarding the saints who were resurrected. Where were they after they died and before their resurrection? They are called "saints", unlike the resurrection of Lazarus by Yeshua...
  6. Copperhead

    Luke 14:15-24 Rapture Before Great Tribulation

    You seem to imply something that is works related. That the will of the Father is to prove ourselves. But let's see what Yeshua said was the will of the Father... John 6:39-40 (NKJV) This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should...
  7. Copperhead

    Luke 14:15-24 Rapture Before Great Tribulation

    Really? Don't you think He already knows? Isaiah 46:9-10 (NKJV) Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall...
  8. Copperhead

    A 1,000 Year Millennium On This Earth?

    You are indeed entitled to see these passages the way you do. We are both entrenched in our views of what the scripture is saying, so no use arguing further. I see nothing in your responses to sway me, and obviously you don't see anything in my responses to sway you. We will have to live...
  9. Copperhead

    A 1,000 Year Millennium On This Earth?

    Throw in Isaiah 11 along with Isaiah 65 and the picture is earthly. They compliment each other. And Revelation 20 shows an earthly kingdom from which a final rebellion comes about when Satan is released at the end of the 1000 years. And that fits Psalm 2, which also shows and earthly kingdom...
  10. Copperhead

    A 1,000 Year Millennium On This Earth?

    Well, you seem to have a lock on everything, so I didn’t think I needed to quote any scripture. I assumed you had already read them. Guess I was wrong, so go read them.
  11. Copperhead

    A 1,000 Year Millennium On This Earth?

    Ah, but then who are the people of the nations who are not going up to Jerusalem, yearly, for the feast of tabernacles? And what of those that do not live beyond 100 years will be considered accursed? And when will the lion lay down with the lamb? And who will be bringing forth children...
  12. Copperhead

    A 1,000 Year Millennium On This Earth?

    That's ok, Jay. He did a massive cut and paste routine in responding to me, of stuff from the previous post, on stuff I never even mentioned, like the final judgement stuff. I never brought it up. He started earlier about there not being any concept of 1000 year kingdom in scripture, and I...
  13. Copperhead

    A 1,000 Year Millennium On This Earth?

    Well, it all depends of the rest of scripture.... Psalms 90:4 (NKJV) For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night. 2 Peter 3:8 (NKJV) But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a...
  14. Copperhead

    A 1,000 Year Millennium On This Earth?

    Seems the OP forgot a large portion of Ezekiel. And how is it that the nations who do not come up to Jerusalem at the feast of tabernacles will have rain withheld from their land? And Psalms 2 seem to suggest that God is establishing Yeshua on a physical throne, in the physical land of Zion...
  15. Copperhead

    Luke 14:15-24 Rapture Before Great Tribulation

    Well, I can agree with that. We all need to always examine our positions on eschatology. I have modified mine several times over the years, as probably most have. In the last few months alone I have tweaked my views a little. It is a process that is never completed by any of us.
  16. Copperhead

    Luke 14:15-24 Rapture Before Great Tribulation

    No arrogance. Just a suggestion. Especially since your hermeneutics seem more allegorical in nature. When we don't adhere to hermeneutical standards of bible interpretation, we can tend to get side tracked. Yes, when Satan is locked up that is for 1000 years. That is taking the text...
  17. Copperhead

    Luke 14:15-24 Rapture Before Great Tribulation

    Well Jay, since we are dramatically different in our view of eschatological events, then I can see how it would not line up with what you see. Most have understood that all the events after chapter 3 in the book of Revelation equate to Daniel's 70th week of Daniel 9, which represents a 7 year...
  18. Copperhead

    Luke 14:15-24 Rapture Before Great Tribulation

    Jay, let's try looking at this from another direction. We know that Yeshua will be reigning in the 1000 year Millennial Kingdom here on earth after the Tribulation events. Now the big question... who is reigning with Him? 2 Timothy 2:11-13 (NKJV) This is a faithful saying: For if we died with...
  19. Copperhead

    Luke 14:15-24 Rapture Before Great Tribulation

    It does cause one to wonder, of all the false doctrines that are devastating in terms of actual salvation, why did you seem to focus on "such as the Rapture doctrine"? What makes it so special that you would focus on it and how does that affect salvation? We can discuss and debate the merits...
  20. Copperhead

    Luke 14:15-24 Rapture Before Great Tribulation

    I think you are misreading my post. I never said that judging all the people of the nations will be at the beginning. That judgement is the Great White Throne judgement. I said that the Bema seat judgement (the judgement regarding works and rewards) of the righteous which are removed will be...