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  1. St. SteVen

    Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?

    I think the best quality of doctrine is to bring clarity about what the scriptures are saying. Not everything about any valid doctrine is only found in one scripture. Nor should it be. Doctrine should be a collection of all the key thoughts boiled down into a useful form. IMHO [
  2. St. SteVen

    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    I don't connect Holy Spirit baptism as prerequisite to being in the Elect. It's a separate issue. IMO I think there are many in the Elect who don't have the baptism with the Holy Spirit. I agree that one has to be part of the Elect to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit. (though it could...
  3. St. SteVen

    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    I'm not discounting what you wrote. I just have a different perspective. Between the two of us we pretty much nailed it. Why would you say that "Pentecost was about the Holy Spirit indwelling one without confession." ??? Peter told them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you... And you will...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    This is where doctrines fail us. Church history and salvation stories reveal that God is not bound to our formulas. The Apostle Paul did not come to the alter on the road to Damascus. But He did meet Christ there. - On Pentecost three thousand were baptized. (assuming with manifestations of...
  5. St. SteVen

    Hellfire and brimstone has given way to eternal separation from God. - Why?

    Over the years I have noticed a shift away from the embarrassment of the hell doctrine. It had always seemed like the "fly in the ointment" of Christianity to me. But we had biblical evidence that it was sad, but true. The solution was evangelism. We are in the business of "saving souls from...
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    Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?

    Can we actually call the Ten Commandments doctrine? Certainly they were law. But law needs interpretation. IMHO - What does it mean to have no other gods? Aren't the heavens full of signs (elohim) to follow? - What does it mean to have no graven images? No art? - What does it mean to not bow...
  7. St. SteVen

    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    Here's something I find interesting. My views on Ultimate Redemption (Universalism) are typically dismissed for not aligning with "a whole Bible view". Seems that saw should cut both ways. What happens if your "a whole Bible view" includes my scriptures rather than dismisses them? - Then what...
  8. St. SteVen

    Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?

    Yes, I would add that from my perspective, doctrine is an attempt to codify what the Bible says. These doctrinal OPINIONS about what the Bible might be saying can easily be contradictory. But most Christians won't allow for doctrinal contradictions. "They can't all be right." And so we argue...
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    Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?

    Doctrine is man-made and no one can be saved by it. [
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    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    If you stopped reading the Bible, would you ever hear from God again? You should try it for a week. [
  11. St. SteVen

    Reader Poll - Would you be a Christian if there was no afterlife?

    St. SteVen said: When they take the power tools to you and begin cutting off your limbs, will you not deny the Lord? Did the Apostle Peter end up in hell? I'm pretty sure you would deny the Lord long before the power tools came out. [
  12. St. SteVen

    Is it biblical? - What does that even mean?

    St. SteVen said: We don't have to agree with a doctrinal position for it to be biblical. If they can support it with scripture then it is biblical. It's not unbiblical simply because you don't agree with it. [
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    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    Would rather read a book, or hear the author speak? [ cc: @One 2 question
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    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    The problem isn't with the Bible. The problem is with those who worship it as a false god. (Nehushtan) [
  15. St. SteVen

    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    Are you familiar with the story about Nehushtan? 2 Kings 18:4 NIV He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called...
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    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    Yes. It seems very strange, the anthropomorphic terms used when speaking about a book. I cringe when my Pastor asks everyone to grab their copy of the Word of God. [
  17. St. SteVen

    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    Why has your knowledge of the book exceeded your knowledge of the author? Shouldn't your knowledge of the author have outpaced the knowledge of the book? The book says, "... no other gods before me." [
  18. St. SteVen

    The "Yeah, but..." school of doctrine - Bible versus Bible

    Par for the course around here. [
  19. St. SteVen

    Doctrinolatry - tribalism and division in the Body of Christ

    A follow-up to my Bibliolatry topic. Doctrine becomes an idol when it is used to support tribalism and cause division in the Body of Christ. Since doctrinal unity is impossible, allowing others to hold their own doctrinal opinions may be the only way to prevent division...