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What sort of death is this describing? Ephesians 2:4-5 NIV But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions— it is by grace you have been saved. Colossians 2:13-14 NIV When you were dead in your sins...

Here's a wrench. (another wrench?) My definition of death. I don't believe that the wages of sin is physical death. It's spiritual death. Therefore the atonement could certainly pay our debt of spiritual death for sin. Two kinds of death. 1) physical death 2) spiritual death Ephesians...

Interesting post, thanks. Agree. I believe that Jesus paid our death penalty for sin on the cross. Thus putting an end to death as the punishment for sin. We still have to face physical death, of course. The term "grave" is interesting. In the Bible, I think it is usually referring to the...

--- PARODY --- Christian: You should become a Christian. Victim: Why on earth would I want to do that? Christian: Huh? What do you mean? Victim: Christians are the worst people on the planet. Christian: No, sinners like you are the worst. Victim: Seriously? Christian: Yes, that's what the Bible...

Apparently not. I know there are different views. But they just sounded like pigeon-holing to me. Christians love to label others. (mostly Damnationists) - LOL [

I find it interesting that our life experience informs our theology and doctrines. You and I are different in both respects. [

I agree that it can be confusing. How do you explain it? Are you saying that the churches are full of believers that do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit? I think there are many who have the indwelling Holy Spirit, but were lied to concerning the manifestations of the Spirit. The church told...

You would never do that, right? Actually tear pages out of your Bible. ??? But how many of us do it in our minds by claiming someone else's view is "UNBIBLICAL"! Might as well have torn that one out of your Bible. [

Deconstruction is a very scary word to most Christians. Granted, it sound destructive and harmful. When I discovered some deconstructing Christians, I felt as if I was going through a similar process. So, the word didn't bother me too much. I did feel that some of them had taken it too far...

That's a curious view. As I understand it, Jesus paid the death penalty for our sin. (paid in full) How can that NOT be efficacious? Was there something incomplete in the work? [

St. SteVen said: You show me nothing but disdain. On the contrary. Universalism teaches that the Atonement was a complete work. 1 John 2:2 NIV He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. St. SteVen said...

Greetings to you as well. That's a good question. Where I place my topics has more to do with how I am viewed on the forum than the topics themselves. My threads are typically challenges to "orthodox" positions, or better termed, the status quo. Thinking people like yourself can handle a...

What's your elevator speech? How do you package the elements of the gospel message? Discussion questions: - What's your story? - How did you meet Jesus? - How were you transformed by that meeting? Share a testimony of how you introduced someone to Jesus. [

You show me nothing but disdain. You bear false witness about me and spread lies about me, even when challenged. You seem to be the perfect example of what @DuckieLady and I are discussing. [

Did you prove my point? Seems so. St. SteVen said: It comes down to motive. Is it to became closer to God? Or is it to equip themselves to argue doctrine with others and win? [

Post #2017 is a good example. Right on cue. [ cc: @DuckieLady

Of course. When you look at a particular doctrine, you will find a statement and biblical support. There is more involved than just opening a Bible and reading in one place. [

St. SteVen said: The problem isn't with the Bible. The problem is with those who worship it as a false god. (Nehushtan) I won't name anyone. There are symptoms that give it away. In fact I was pointed that direction at one time, but never got to the place where the book...

I think we need to connect Pentecost to the baptism with the Holy Spirit, because Jesus did. It is a subsequent experience to the indwelling. Acts 1:4-5 NIV On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father...

I agree that it presents a weak case but still the beginning phrase should inform the whole. In Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn... 1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when...