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  1. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    Jesus is described as sitting on a cloud in Revelation 14. Revelation 14:14-16 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man[b] with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple and...
  2. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    Ah, now I understand how you got there from here. I didn't notice that little detour road, but now I follow. Let me respond to that; I don't actually see a correlation between Jesus' ascension and the Lord coming with clouds under his feet, or even those of us going to meet those who are in...
  3. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    I've read your paragraph several times, and I still don't see where you state what it is. It's like you really want it to remain a mystery. Let's try to narrow it down. Do you think Mystery Babylon is a city? Or a group of people? Or a system of some sort? I feel like you're giving me the...
  4. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    It refers to people, in a way, yes, but more specifically, the people of a covenant. Also, I believe the harlot (old Jerusalem) includes all Israelites of the old covenant, not just those who lived in the city of Jerusalem. Excellent. We are making progress. So, in your opinion, what is...
  5. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    It is inspired by God, not written by God. Just like I was inspired by my daughter to write a poem. She inspired me, but she did not write it. Surely you know the meaning of the word "inspired".
  6. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    The Bible was not written by God. It is not God's word. The only words God ever wrote for us are the ten commandments. The rest of the Bible was written by men, just like us, and that why I equate the way we talk with scripture. God did not possess their bodies and control their hands, their...
  7. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    I read that to mean that "all kinds of sins were committed in her". Also, let's remember that we use words like "all" and "everyone" and "everything" in our language every day, but we don't mean those phrases literally. In fact, I just said "every day", but I don't actually use those words...
  8. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    I know this post was not aimed at me, but these kinds of accusations serve only to anger your target. Not helpful.
  9. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    That's a weird response to what I said. I told you what I believe is symbolic language, and now you want to imply that I believe everything is symbolic? Are you trying to change the topic? Do you want to talk about Jesus' ascension now? Cause I thought we were talking about judgment day.
  10. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    I literally said "I also don't think Babylon and Jerusalem are literal cities", so I'm not sure why you're claiming that I'm talking about what you call an "earthly city". Maybe I should rephrase to be clear: I don't believe the harlot refers to a physical city, as in bricks and mortar...
  11. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    I don't think I missed the point. I also don't think Babylon and Jerusalem are literal cities. They are names to given to groups of people. A city is, after all, its people. So the original Jerusalem (which was the group of people we also know as Israelites) turned away from God and became...
  12. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    The romans did not have to do such things, because such things are not literal. Just like the Lord coming on a cloud with darkness under his feet is not literal. It's symbolic language meant to convey imagery. The Bible is full of this kind of language. Once you start to see patterns, it...
  13. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    Why do you insist on finding a literal interpretation that fits your vision of reality? Why can't you just accept that the Bible is full of imagery?
  14. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    Wars 4.4.5 Try this link and CTRL-F for "earthquake". There are a bunch of references. The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus
  15. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    Why is Jesus called the lamb? Why is Saul called Paul? Why is Simon called Peter? Why is Sarai called Sarah? Why is Jacob called Israel? Why is John the baptist called Elijah? Because God gives descriptive and symbolic names. (which is why all the angel names end in "el" which means of...
  16. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    Stars of heaven falling is obviously just apocalyptic language. Stars can not literally fall to earth. If a star "fell to earth" it would be more like a collision, and the earth would be swallowed up in fire. So, obviously that's apocalyptic language, not literal. Do you have any idea how...
  17. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    Well, since you asked nicely... The Earthquake And now did the Idumeans make an acclamation to what Simon had said; but Jesus went away sorrowful, as seeing that the Idumeans were against all moderate counsels, and that the city was besieged on both sides. Nor indeed were the minds of the...
  18. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    Well, the city of Jerusalem exists of course, but that is not the spiritual Jerusalem the Bible speaks of. The spiritual Jerusalem was God's bride. Speaking of adultery, did you know the punishment for adultery was death by stoning? Isn't it interesting that Jerusalem was literally stoned to...
  19. Freedm

    What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

    Yes, he did actually. I have all the quotes.