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Well, I see those who were zealous for the law being part of the church until 70AD. After that they were no longer part of the church, and that is still true to this day. That is what I see happening in the parable of the tares. I can’t make sense of all the views trying to apply the tares to...

Well, sure, look at 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. Those events literally happened in the first century, before...

Right, that’s why I have to reject any interpretation that calls the tares all the unsaved in general. Can you at least see why someone who looks at this logically would reject that interpretation?

Ok let’s take a closer look at 1 John 3:8-10 1 John 3:8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed...

Yes, the tares were sown in His field, and in the church is where contending for faith occurs. The field is said to be the world in Matthew 13:38. The field is<2076> the world. The word “is” is defined as is, it is, there is and has the meaning of are, belong, call, come, consist. To me it looks...

Right, we should be able to see that it’s Biblical to excommunicate a person and we should also be able to see that a tare has to be allowed to grow together with the wheat until the harvest and not removed at anytime soon than the harvest. Logically we should be able to conclude that a tare...

The problem is you are associating the tares with all the unsaved. All the unsaved include people who are Nazis, KKK, terrorist, serial killers, and so on. We are told to allow the tares to grow together <4885> to grow together, to increase together until the harvest. I can understand if you...

Well WWII was fought and I would think a Christian would agree that Hitler should’ve been stopped. Do you think WWII was a mistake and we should’ve just let Hitler continue on?

I don’t want to open up this can of worms again but don’t forget that if the tares represent all the unsaved then someone like Hitler should’ve been allowed to grow together with the wheat.

I think a major difference between us is that I see the end of the age referring to when the old covenant vanished (not when it became invalid) and you see it as the end of this current heaven and earth.

Sure, but a person that God knows ahead of time that won’t repent is what the parable is about and those people are the tares, else they wouldn’t have been named as tares and wheat in the first place.

Well yea, God knows who will and who won’t become saved before they are born. The parable is written from God’s perspective which is why He says specifically tares and wheat are sown. If the parable said seed in general were sown then you might have a point as to what the plants might be at...

The tares get burned and the wheat is put in the barn. That’s what happens. No where is it even implied that the tares somehow turn into wheat.

Right, and not only that, why were the servants wanting to pull the tares in the first place if they thought they might change into wheat. The servants should’ve said “wow, isn’t this great, somebody sowed some more seeds and it could give us more wheat”

But that’s a major point, a tare can’t be excommunicated, a tare has to be allowed to grow together with the wheat. A person that qualifies for excommunication can’t be a tare by definition.

I don’t want to keep going around in circles on this either, so let me ask you this… If church(A) interprets the parable of the tares as rule that their church(A) should allow people who they know are tares to grow along side the wheat, wouldn’t that church(A) be vastly different than a...

Interesting idea, another thing might be to consider where the tare seeds come from in the first place. Does Satan have his own field where he grows tares to harvest the seeds and then plant those seeds in His (Jesus’) field?

Well tares aren’t saved, right? They are thrown into the fire. I agree that from our perspective we don’t know who will or won’t be saved. I was lost and then became saved, but I don’t consider myself as a tare prior to becoming saved. I was a lost sheep but I wasn’t a goat.

Yes, I agree. There seems to be quite a few people that simply want to say a tare can become wheat, because a tare represents all the lost, even though that contradicts the reality that a tare plant can’t become a wheat plant and this parable would then be the only parable based on an untrue...

Or we could say people were entering the kingdom by way of the old covenant prior to the cross then after the cross only those born of water and Spirit could enter the kingdom. The kingdom was then purged of those tares who tried to remain under the old covenant, that removal happened some time...