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Ok, that’s reasonable but then in Matthew 21:43 it says Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. The chief priest and Pharisees knew this was referring to them, the same people that are told they are of their...

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. It’s very difficult to know what exactly it’s going to be like and we can speculate but we do know heaven and...

I’m not so sure I would agree with that. A believer is in the world physically but not of it spiritually. A tare can’t really be in the kingdom spiritually but not of it. Do you have any verses that might help explain how a tare can be in the kingdom of God?

I have no issues with what you’re saying except the phrase “This current earth will be regenerated when He comes”. If the elements (hydrogen, oxygen, …) melt then there is nothing physically left of this earth. It’s possible that Jesus created an entirely new universe, outside of our current...

Well, Jesus said I go to prepared a place for you. Is there any reason to think He hasn’t prepared that place yet?

Isaiah 62:4(NIV) No longer will they call you Deserted, or name your land Desolate. But you will be called Hephzibah, and your land Beulah; for the LORD will take delight in you, and your land will be married. No different than land being married.

No, I’m saying basing your interpretation of Jerusalem coming down from heaven on symbolism is no more convincing than a full preterist doing the same thing.

Right, that’s why a symbolic interpretation is questionable unless there are multiple examples. A lamb being symbolic of Jesus works because of all the examples in the Bible but saying New Jerusalem coming down from heaven is symbolic of something is questionable.

But that’s how symbolism works. You’re using symbolism to put it in the future and preterist use symbolism to put it in the past. I can also use symbolism to make it happen everyday, every time a person gets saved.

Ok, then it must be wheat that the angels weed out of the kingdom. Is that your interpretation?

I’m not calling you a full preterist. I know you are Amil but you are arguing for an interpretation that I have only heard a full preterist argue for. I honestly don’t know exactly what any other full preterist would say but the one person I had a conversation with would’ve agreed with the...

Matthew 13:41(NIV) The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. What are the angels weeding out of His kingdom? We’re not talking about the world but out of His kingdom. Is it wheat or tares that have to be weeded out?

Ok, some time ago someone told me that New Jerusalem was symbolic and it descended just after 70AD for the Jews who just had their old covenant vanish. Are you sure you want to go with a symbolic interpretation? You’d be in agreement with some full preterist on that.

I agree with you, nice post. I’m not personally a Premil but since a tare never becomes wheat in reality, if I were to argue the Premil position I would say the parable of the weeds is written from God’s perspective, not man’s perspective which is why the tares are not saved and Satan is not...

Matthew 13:38(NIV) The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, Matthew 13:41(NIV) The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. Matthew...

Have the kingdoms of this world already become the kingdoms of our Lord then?

Absolutely agree with we never cease, I suppose it comes down to how we view it. I see a new creation when we become saved and place that in NHNE and you see eternal life as us who are still physically in an OHOE continuing into the NHNE. I’m not going to argue against your view on this, it...

So you are proposing that some of the OHOE continues to exist into NHNE?

There is the possibility that OHOE alines with the old covenant and NHNE alines with the new covenant. The old covenant was no longer valid after the cross but that age didn’t actually vanish until sometime later. We can see an overlap of the two covenants even though only one covenant was...

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Abraham will definitely be remembered but I would say as a new creation because he was in Christ. Here is how the NIV translates 2 Corinthians 5:17...