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In the event Amil is the correct position, regardless, only one thing makes sense to me in that case. That being the following. Except I have never noted any Amils making this connection. Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog...

We might not be on the same page about some of this, but we are on the same page in regards to what you submitted here, though. I fully agree with this, yet fully disagree that the beast reigns for 42 months after the 7th trumpet sounds. The beast reigns 42 months prior to the the 7th trumpet...

One could argue, and I have argued this before, so what, in light of the following? Initially satan also saw God face to face, saw Him in all of His glory, knew without a doubt He existed and knew without a doubt He created him, but did that prevent satan from rebelling? Of course not unless the...

That does not make sense in light of the following, for one. ---------------- Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever...

BTW, I'm not a Dispy but you appear to be one, though. You are the one, just like the Dispys, that are taking these things in the literal sense. Yet you claim to be Amil. My opinion is that you were likely a Dispy before you became Amil and are somehow trying to make Dispy and Amil compatible...

Since you apparently take the 2ws to be meaning false prophets, unless I'm misunderstanding you somewhere along the way, you and I are miles apart here to begin with. Therefore, based on that alone, nothing you can say is going to convince me you are right and I am wrong, since it makes no...

Speaking for myself I don't disagree with that. Except for maybe the part about them being literally in Jerusalem. What I disagree with is, that the 1260 days per Revelation 11 and the 42 months per Revelation 13, that these time periods are running in parallel, thus not 7 years being involved...

It makes no sense, to me anyway, that if the beast is reigning for 42 months and that it is allegedly paralleling the 1260 days the 2ws are prophesying, why it then is not making war upon the 2ws until their 1260 days are finished? If these time periods are running in parallel this would mean...

The OP has to do with which proposed Millennium seems to be the better one, regardless which proposed Millennium is actually the correct one? For example. Is a Millennium where righteousness is not dwelling throughout the earth, thus crooked courts, crooked judges, crooked lawyers, is better...

Let's do some comparing of both. If you think of something else to add, be sure to mention it and I will add it to the OP unless it causes the OP to increase in size to the point it makes it too lengthy to add it to it. The OP is already somewhat lengthy to begin with. Or if you see something...

Isn't that what Matthew 25, for one, indicates? Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Most of us, which may or may not include you, agree Matthew 25:31 hasn't been fulfilled yet. It then begs...

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the...

And guess which Greek word is used in that verse? Not eido but optanomai. But why? Maybe because it is meaning after Revelation 1:7 occurs, thus Him coming on the clouds, and He is then literally sitting in the throne of His glory upon the earth. Except who He was talking to at the time would...

IMO, a better passage that fit with what is going on per the tares being removed might be the following, which, BTW, sounds similar to the sheep and goats judgment, and may even be meaning it. Especially verse 38. Ezekiel 20:33 ¶As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and...

Until you submitted this I never even considered Ezekiel 9 before. But after reading Ezekiel 9 again I can for sure see some similarities with that of some passages in Revelation. I'm not sure what to think about at this point. It's interesting for sure.

Don't you mean a 3rd coming in your case? Does not Matthew 24:30 involve a coming? And do you not take it to be involving a coming in 70 AD while most of us take it to be involving the 2nd coming in the end of this age? Per my view it only adds up to 2 comings when taking the coming in Matthew...

I'm not convinced the tares are meant here. For one, I apparently don't take the tares to be meaning who you take them to be meaning. I believe NOSAS is Biblical and that the tares are simply those in the church that have fallen away. Everything else I quoted from your post above, I pretty much...

There is another way to look at some of this as well. It depends how far one is willing to think outside of the box, though. Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the...

Sounds like a valid argument to me. But even so, how do you explain the differences between that account and the following account? First, the account in Revelation 6. Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men...

This might not be the case every time, but generally when something is rendered 'see', if eido is used it typically means to perceive something. But when optanomai is used it typically involves literally seeing something with the naked eye. In Matthew 24:30 optanomai is used rather than eido...