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  1. keithr

    24 Elders

    It's the people who were resurrected in the first resurrection that will sit on thones and judge mankind (jointly with Jesus, who is our head, and King of kings). That's the resurrection of the church, who are represented symbolically by the 24 elders. As I quoted, Revelation 20:6 says: (6)...
  2. keithr

    24 Elders

    I don't think so. In Revelation 1, it says that John "was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day", and hearing a loud voice behind him he turned around and saw "seven golden lamp stands. And among the lamp stands was one like a son of man", and "He had seven stars in his right hand". This was Jesus...
  3. keithr

    Who are the 144,000?

    That's not what it says in Revelation. In chapter 6 the resurrected church is up in heaven watching as Jesus opens the 7 seals on the scroll, ending with "The kings of the earth, the princes, the commanding officers, the rich, the strong, and every slave and free person, hid themselves in the...
  4. keithr

    24 Elders

    Yes. Most things in those passage are symbolic and representative of something. I'm pretty sure that the glorified Jesus doesn't look like a slain lamb which has seven horns and seven eyes. Remember, we will be like him (1 John 3:2) - are we too going to look like seven horned and seven eyed...
  5. keithr

    Who are the 144,000?

    Chapters two and three of Revelation are the letters from Jesus to the seven churches. These letters are also prophetic of the church during the Gospel age. Then in Rev. 4:1 John describes a voice from heaven saying “Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter”, i.e. he...
  6. keithr

    Studying the Septuagint (LXX)

    10%? Did it mistranslate the passage? In that case the quotation of it in Hebrews 10:5 is also a mistranslation. That's what the LXX translators did - they were 72 Jewish translaters, 6 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. They understood their Hebrew language and also Greek.
  7. keithr

    Studying the Septuagint (LXX)

    Proverbs 25:2 (WEB): (2) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter. Incorrect or misleading translation can prevent us from discovering the hidden things in the Scriptures. Like the hidden message in Genesis 5 that is made more difficult for...
  8. keithr

    Studying the Septuagint (LXX)

    It's an example of how difficult it can be to translate some passages, with the need to consider other passages to more fully understand the sayings of those people in those times. Remember that the Hebrew manuscripts for Psalms 40:6 literally says, "Sacrifice and present Thou hast not desired...
  9. keithr

    Studying the Septuagint (LXX)

    The Cambridge Bible Notes for this is: but a body hast thou prepared me] This is the rendering of the LXX. In the Hebrew it is “But ears hast thou digged for me.” The text of the Hebrew does not admit of easy alteration, so that either (1) the reading of the Greek text in the LXX. must be a...
  10. keithr

    Studying the Septuagint (LXX)

    Isn't that a problem though? i.e. for us English understanding only people we're having to rely on other people translating the LXX into English, and its' in the translation that differences can occur because words can have more than one meaning, so it not just a simple word to word...
  11. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    I could say likewise! If you don't believe that God used types then you are missing out on a lot of understanding of the Scriptures. For example, the whole sacrificial system was a type, a foreshadow of things to come. As Paul said in Hebrews 9:9 : LSV: (9) which [is] an allegory in regard...
  12. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    I never said that Galations 4 even mentioned Joseph! I said that it was an example of how to interpret Old Testament Scripture, showing that it is valid to interpret the story of Joseph as an allegory and as a type for Jesus. Are you really so easily confused and lacking in understanding...
  13. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    Regardless of the semantics, in response to your statement: Genesis is primarily a history book. While there may be parallels among heroes, generally, there is no basis to suppose one hero or God's anointed was symbolic of another hero or God's anointed. Pauls' method of interpretation of the...
  14. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    And yet Paul used true facts as an allegory. Wikipedia states: As a literary device or artistic form, an allegory is a narrative or visual representation in which a character, place, or event can be interpreted to represent a hidden meaning with moral or political significance. and it states...
  15. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    An allegory does not have to be a fictional story. It can be a true story, as in the example that Paul gave in Galations 4.
  16. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    Yes, as I wrote above, it "has been variously interpreted as" ... and I gave four different interpretations. That later article that I mentioned gave another interpretation. I've no idea which, if any, is correct.
  17. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    How about the basis that Paul gave us an example of how to interpret Old Testament Scripture in Galations 4 (WEB): (22) For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the servant, and one by the free woman. (23) However, the son by the servant was born according to the flesh, but the...
  18. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    I have just read elsewhere that the name that the Pharaoh gave Joseph, Zaphnath-Paaneah, means 'bread of life'. That's another allusion to Jesus, who said "I am the bread of life" (John 6:35). That article also says: Joseph was an interpreter for God. In him we see shadowed forth God's...
  19. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    In the Greek Septuagint (LXX) the Jewish scholars rendered Nephilim as γίγαντες [gigantes]. The KJV translates the word as “giants”. However, the word gigantes means earth-born. The Jewish scholars interpreted their Hebrew Scriptures to mean that angels from heaven mated with women to produce...
  20. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    They were not necessarily very evil and wicked. They had been persuaded/deceived by Satan to side with him, but their intentions may have been to help mankind. Christians should always think the best of others unless they have absolute proof of their sins, and even then to have compassion and...