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  1. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    This does not place an AC any where in Revelation. I asked where in Revelation do you place the AC.
  2. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Without Christ all are dead, no one is a firstfruit without the Lamb. But if humans are not the fruit at all, as you declare, who are the fruit, the elders some claim are angels? You say Jesus needed eternal life, if he is the first fruit to be redeemed, no? If humans don't need eternal...
  3. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    So if those alive and remain rise second, is that also a resurrection? Jesus was not born with sinful flesh. Jesus had a physical human body that knew no sin. So yes, Jesus got His permanent incorruptible physical body back that He used to physically die on the Cross. Do we get Adam's...
  4. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Of course the spirit is seperate and before the throne of God. That is why you are spiritually dead. Your soul is separated from the spirit. Besides the spirit is put on over the body. That is what Christ demonstrated on the mount of Transfiguration. His face started to shine like the...
  5. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    You called it lunacy, not me. Being an outside observer it not special. Are you seriously preaching amil as some dumb, man made theology?
  6. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    John 5:25 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live." Can you figure out who the dead are?
  7. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    God worked with Israel for 1400 years. Then the Cross. That was almost 2,000 years ago. God has dealt with the church 400 years longer than He did Israel. What are you talking about? There is not any more division between the church waiting in Paradise for the last 1994 years seperate from...
  8. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Then you don't hold to a Millennium reign of Christ either? I was not comparing Noah to the church. I was comparing Noah to Israel who fled into the wilderness for 3.5 years, while Satan had his empire for 42 months. The Flood would represent Satan's control, that Israel is protected from...
  9. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    How do you explain that the time given to Satan is after the 7th Trumpet sounds? This term Antichrist that you use is not even found in the book of Revelation. So where do you put this figure? The first seal? The only reign of evil is the 8th kingdom after Jesus is declared the 7th Kingdom...
  10. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Clearly the church is the body of Christ. "Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." The church is the bride waiting in heaven, not the wife waiting in heaven. Where does Revelation 19 explicitly state those on white horses are the church? Where does Revelation...
  11. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    It is simple. They rise from Paradise first, because Jesus brings them with Him. They don't need a resurrection. They have already passed from death unto life. John 5:24-25. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting...
  12. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Seated in heaven as a soul is not literal, but that does not mean you are two places at the same time. So you probably should post the verse not draw a wrong conclusion. "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the...
  13. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    So the millennium is not part of this present world? What world is the millennium a part of? You say the LAST DAY. Most think you are saying last day, are there days in the millennium after this "last day"?
  14. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    So post trib does not have to be right either. Do only those who hold a post trib rapture belong to the church? Why are you so adamant that pre-trib be found in Scripture? You want an explanation of the 144k? They are sealed on the earth in Revelation 7, at the same time those without number...
  15. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Do you like lying? No, you don't have a soul. Are you the physical body, or the soul that goes to heaven? Paul says you, the soul puts on a physical body, and the physical body puts on the robe of white, the spirit. The soul does not have a spirit living in the soul. The body does not...
  16. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    So are the 24 elders firstfruits from the first century or not? Make up your mind. Each in their own order: Christ, the firstfruits. "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits." Who are firstfruits at the Cross, other than 12 elders from the OT and 12 from the NT? Those 24...
  17. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    No, it is you that deny the hour started with Lazarus. Jesus never said, sinners would have to rise and be judged at the same time, He calls out the righteous. That is you adding thoughts into God's Word. You make it sound that when He called out Lazarus, He also had to raise some young rich...
  18. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    I have no stake in the claim. I don't hold to most people's interpretation, not even pre-tribbers. But God forbid there be an outside objective view. God's Word is lunacy to you. Jesus said that activity stopped when the door of the ark shut. Take it up with God. I never said they...
  19. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights." You make Jesus sound like He does not even know His own Word. Really? Is the point that demanding, that you all have to spin God's Word to even make your point? You are the one causing Jesus to...
  20. Timtofly

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    What John wrote in Revelation 20 could apply to the day of the Cross. The OT redeemed were resurrected and given life, but the rest of the dead did not live again, until the GWT Judgment. This is the first resurrection. That would make sense even to amil who claim the time of waiting was...