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Illegitimate? Jesus compared His Second Coming to the days of Noah. How much more legitimacy do you require? Enoch was raptured before Noah started to build the ark, which seems to have taken 100 years. Then Noah was taken up above the Flood by a different mode than a rapture, but both were...

No, you are breaking up the thoughts to force fit your point. You and WPM need a verse from Scripture that states it took 7 days to enter the ark. Without your proof text you are literally dead in the water. Now you could point out there were not punctuation marks, and they were added even in...

The wedding feast in Revelation 19 is with Israel, not the church. You mean the churches that existed 1900 years ago? Why has the church been enjoying Paradise for 1900 years without a marriage from the first century? Is waiting another thousand years that bad? Israel has been waiting...

You left out the verse that says: 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Is this a third group of people to you?

They are called firstfruits. The 12 disciples were also firstfruits. 12 is half of 24. Could there be 12 OT firstfruits? Now you add 144k to the 24 from the past, so why are there 24 plus 144k firstfruits of the early church, when the 144k are associated with the Second Coming? The 24...

Same argument as post mill. Then you deny that you are post mill.

I do get "it". The church would have tribulation from the day of Pentecost until the Second Coming. Then that tribulation would be over of those days, because the church is gone. In Matthew 24, the church asked the questions, and got a church answer. In Luke 21, those at the temple asked...

It is you who deny these elders are humans, because even you say they have crowns before you think any one should. No other poster is saying they have had the crowns for thousands of years. And there is no Scripture that states they cannot have already received their reward. The point is...

Your verse does not say the Flood came on the day they entered. You are wrong in your grammar. "They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark." That stuff stopped on the day they entered. CONJUNCTION "The flood...

I never said you believed it. I said that is how you present your argument.

Way more resurrections specifically and literally are addressed in Scripture, than a single all consuming resurrection. John 11:43-44. Matthew 27:52-53. Revelation 20:4-6 How can one live and reign with Christ without a head? That is not symbolism nor figurative. Most believe they were...

The mystery was having an abode in heaven. Don't you think that the OT redeemed were waiting for a resurrection to live forever on the earth? Don't you expect to live on earth after the Second Coming? Who is said to ever live physically in heaven? You don't even accept they have physical...

The church is not wed until after the Millennium. Did you think the honeymoon was a thousand years of work on earth, after one life of serving God? Being dressed or not is hardly relevant as that is all metaphor any way. Do you think that being redeemed was just dressing up as a bride...

Taking a word out if context, and even comparing it to other passages is not always the proper interpretation. I thought we were going to leave petty insults out of the discussion...? Guess not. My post may offend you, or may not even be understood, but lacking due diligence is just an...

So you are not post trib then? You are post 70AD, a second coming will happen? Obviously we are post 70AD, and still waiting for the Second Coming. You are not even arguing on the same topic. No one is arguing a pre-70AD rapture. Why do you think the fig tree blooming, the greatest time...

You all are inconsistent then. You say the 144k has to represent the church, but the elders cannot represent the church. You say the 144k cannot be actual individuals, but the 24 can be individuals, but not humans. Paul said we are seated with Christ, and way back in the first century, not...

You keep saying the last day of this present world. How is that supposed to sound? Is it the end of the world, or not?

The future rule of an Antichrist is not from Scripture. It is a human invention to fill in the gaps of human theology. All of the beast that Daniel saw that many think are future were already fulfilled with Greece and Rome. Even historist get it wrong, because they cannot see that the...

Then both groups are resurrected. You claim arise means resurrected. Those on earth will also rise up. You add into the text your doctrine that states they have to be physically dead. While they have previously died, it does not mean they are currently dead. Physical death is not an...

Interesting that you single out Israel, when most quote Paul saying there is no difference between Israel and Gentiles. The tribulation in the Olivet Discourse was directed to the disciples as part of the church, not their natural birth as Israelites. The nation of Israel was left as any...