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rebuilder 454 said: Psssst...both lot and Noah are gathered pretrib. SI quote "Pre-wrath. Which I agree with. Stop misrepresenting my view." Normal life, then the flood . Sodom the same. Noah and Lot gathered pretrib. No way to wiggle out of it. Your model in no way fits.

I am not the one getting shellaced by the Bible. You are, along with your false doctrine that can not address the 3 comings. Nor can it address the "one taken" of mat 24, or the "like manner" of Acts 1. "Before the flood" is the "sister analogy" of Lot removed pretrib, and both have normal life...

Rapture verses are prewrath AND pretrib. Normal life, buying and selling. You model is way off. There is zero buying and selling with out the mark. No normal life, and a blood bath. In fact anyone refusing the mark is martyred. So your model is 100% backwards In your model, all are protected...

Lol No way you can debate me. It ain't gonna happen. Glad to do so anytime you get a bible. Take a concept and start . Probably not.

Somebody has a bible and reads what it says. You must be a pretribber.

Even when I post the reference, you claim Jesus sitting on a holding a sickle, and commanded By Angels to harvest the Earth , is actually not Jesus sitting on a cloud holding a sickle, and told to harvest the Earth.

The coming on white horses is not, nor can it possibly be, the rapture.

Rev 14: 14 you are shown about 15 times. Mat 24:38 again and again for 100 times. None of it sticks. ...and never will

QUOTE """we have anything other than your word for it? The bible does not paint a picture of His saved sheep as one where most of them will not be resurrected?""" 1) the virgin parable has no mention at all of any Resurrection maybe somebody can say it's implied I don't know but I think you're...

Quote """As explained it would not be Jesus that made any mistake there. Guess who that leaves?""" You claimed unwittingly Jesus is demented, as you decided to go against his Bible. Then you did it again. "Clear" has never been a factor in your low info resposes. Pretty sure I did post them...

Uttermost part of earth is the atmosphere.

Jesus is the truth. Jesus vividly declared 3 comings. No way to wiggle out of that.

QUOTE """Nonsense, of course I know rewards are based on works. If you stopped casting firebrands long enough and take a breath, you might realize that the resurrection and salvation are not the rewards given at that seat! We get Raptured to get there first of all! How dare you accuse others of...

Woah Take a second look at your claim "No. One is the Rapture in the air and the other is His return to earth. Nothing wrong about that" You just exposed the postribber fallacy. You just admitted to 2 comings. Yes indeed, there are 2 comings exactly as you stated. That alone destroys the...

I just posted a link to 6PAGES of the use of "heis" (one) in the Bible. That is over 100 instances of "one" used. Try and insert "unity" instead of "one", as you claim is the "correct" word selection. Ahem...none of those verses work under your theory. Always use strongs as a reference...

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g1520/kjv/tr/0-1/

All need to educate themselves into the Bible we can trust and depend on. NIV = "not. Inspired version"

https://www.preservedword.com/content/the-unreliablitity-of-the-alexandrian-manuscripts/

I looked it up. The texts receptus has it as "are one" I suspect that Greek text you quote is Alexandria text.

To deny Jesus is creator , is to deny Him entirely. I hate that all watchtowers choose hell. It is their choice.