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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You are referring to salvation. Jesus is not, in his "worthy vs unworthy" dynamic Not all recieve crowns.why? Not all are worthy Not all saved go up with Jesus in the rapture ( 5 foolish virgins) Again , not all were worthy. Only those Christians worthy, as Jesus is saying, will go in the...
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    Obeying Acts 2:38 is the only plan of salvation

    Jesus is the remitter Not the water, or the act
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    Obeying Acts 2:38 is the only plan of salvation

    No Peter did not have the full revelation. You are referring to JTB baptism and message. That was common at that time to misplace the gospel of grace Peter was mistaken on several Truths, but later got it right.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The Christians left behind in the GT, are those that lost their zeal, intimacy, and first love. Some are in habitual sin They are not worthy. Not ready Not prepared. That is Why "some pray" ( not postribbers) what Jesus said to pray; " PRAY that you may be COUNTED WORTHY to escape the things...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I don't know of any postribber that believes that. Babylon is destroyed during the trib.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    They are given robes to wear. The great multitude came out of the trib AND ARE NOT UNDER THE ALTAR. MARTYRS NUMBER FULFILLED. (Not that anything from the Bible matters to you. )
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Would love that Dave. I am in s texas.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    It says they ALL TAKE THE MARK or die. Note "ALL". You don't get it. All die. Martyrs fulfilled during the trib. You missed it. The martyrs are NO LONGER under the altar
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The fact that we have all the pretrib rapture verses accompanying Rev 19 testifies you are embracing error. Obviously. The fact that the AC kills EVERY MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD REFUSING THE MARK DURING THE TRIB , leaves no postribber running from cave to cave DURING the trib. All of you are...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Would love to do just that. I think I was in your area a couple years ago. Thank you for a friendly thought . ( mobile alabama doing ins adjusting)
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Good clue! Maybe you have returned to debate and are no longer a spiritual Israelite frustration babbler. Good to see someone pointing at their bible. You noted the MARTYRS. You correctly pointed out " under the Altar ". You left out " till their number is fulfilled" That points to the...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You really really hate those exposing you. One personal attack after another. You are one miserable individual. Take a break, get some spirit in you and then debate without all the hateful mess. Psssst...concept vs concept. Ditch the hate. I totally understand your frustration. It is all over you
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Let's pretend it is a parable. The message is the same either way.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Lazarus is a person Abraham also Hades an actual place Paradise is where the patriarchs were held until the cross.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No I has real names and events. It does not qualify as a parable.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Are you saying the destruction of Babylon is at the second coming on horses?
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The dude has some underlying issues. Seems like a very unhappy individual. He actually hates those challenging his "doctrine".
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I will go with the Bible " Here it is Rev19 1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    """You don't exegete any scripture. At least, you never have. How about starting now?""" Lies are your banner huh?
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Rev 19, as I told you. Practically the entire chapter. You do not know where it is? Last few pages of your bible. You provide where I am wrong Go to it and teach me. Show me where the church is not there, in heaven, at the end of the GT, as is vividly showcased.