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So, what are you saying about the apparent disconnect and misrepresentation of these "prophecies"? Were they adopted for use in the moment, or intended from the OT texts? [

Here's one to consider. Was it written prophetically about Messiah by Isaiah? Or did Jesus adopt it to make a point? "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." - vs 21 Luke 4:16-21 NIV He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the...

St. SteVen said: Mark 14:27 NET Then[a] Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away, for it is written, ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.’[b] --- COMPARE --- Zechariah 13:7 NET “Awake, sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is my...

I suppose that dual fulfillment claims are open to a lot of opinion. I should be clear about the Exodus. Archeology doesn't seem to support it. The same way science doesn't support the creation narrative and human origins. Personally, I'm torn. I can see both sides of the arguments. And I...

The Bible. I compared the NT claim with the OT quote. [

@RedFan suggested the word "adopted", which seems to work better. The problem I see is NT authors claiming something is a fulfillment of prophecy when the "prophecy" quoted appears to have nothing to do with it. [

I disagree. Plenty of the Bible is indeed falsifiable. Contradictions abound. The problem from my POV is trusting in God apart from the Bible and Christian doctrine. [

That's where I stopped reading. [

To be clear, I brought this topic over to the Eschatology & Prophecy Forum because I was hoping you folks were more studied in this area than I. I don't know what to make of the problems I see. The prophecies seem to have been adopted from texts that were not intended for the use claimed in...

My guess is King David, but it could have many applications. [

I think it was already fulfilled. ??? Israel came out of Egypt in the Exodus. The chapter reads like a history of Israel after the Exodus. Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. [

Let's ask @BarneyFife [

Case by case makes more sense to me. Unless we want to choose the interpretation that the OT "prophecies" were adopted rather than intended. Then, one size fits all. [

It's different in every case, of course. The context would be the determinant. This one is pretty glaring. Israel, not messiah. Matthew 2:15 And [Jesus] was there [in Egypt] until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, "Out of...

That may be, but the connections are rather shaky. Why is that? It seems more likely that these things were being adopted but then claimed to be intentional. There are a lot of near misses. The original OT quotes obviously referring to something else. [

Question: Was that the intention of the writer of the 2nd Psalm, or was the prophecy adopted? Psalm 2:7 NIV I will proclaim the Lord’s decree: He said to me, “You are my son; today I have become your father. [

This is another good example. (from the first thread link in the OP) Matthew 2:15 And [Jesus] was there [in Egypt] until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt have I called my son." Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a...

Is it intent, or did Jesus adopt it for his own use as if it was originally written prophetically? Genuine prophecy was of no private interpretation. [

Thanks. I've struggled this whole time to articulate the problem I am seeing. [

What is bothering me is the apparent lack of intent by the OT writer to prophesy. The NT writers seemed to have assigned prophetic intent to the OT quotes. John 15:25 NIV But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’[a] Psalms 35:19 Do not let those...