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Since you are not denying that some of Zechariah 14 is involving the 2nd coming and post the 2nd coming, pretty much what you have submitted thus far, I would say we are probably on the same page to some degree. Yet, I notice that you failed to factor in verses 16-19 as well. Why did you not...

As to Zechariah 14, it is mostly chronological throughout, except a few places which are referring back to something that happened earlier in time. I see verse 1 through verse 11 being strictly chronological. I see no reason to think it isn't. Verse 2 leads to the Lord intervening on their...

Too bad you are unable to argue something of value, but instead use opinions to try and prove a position wrong. Why not instead show how Zechariah 14 fits Amil to a T? And then let's see if what you are proposing makes sense of the text or doesn't. BTW, just because some of Zechariah 14 might...

Even with that, can't chronology solve this problem? For instance, verse 5. If that is involving the 2nd coming like many of us Premils take it to involve, and that verses 16-19 are meaning post that of verse 5, it is then a matter of, do verses 16-19 appear to be involving all of eternity, or...

I have only read a portion of what you submitted thus far. The way you are going about this is not reasonable, IMO. Flooding this thread with an entire book then expecting everyone else to keep up and be able to discuss/debate every single point you have raised thus far. That rant aside, one...

One way way to try and determine that is by comparing how Premils interpret these events as opposed to how Amils interpret them. Then seeing which view is agreeing with what the text indicates, which includes events that involve chronology. For example, verse 2 as opposed to verses 16-19. Would...

One problem is that some interpreters are taking too many of these things in the literal sense. The earth can pass away without it having to be literally engulfed in flames in order to do so.

Total nonsense that that is to be taken in the literal sense. As if God is just going to wipe out the entire animal kingdom in the process. Not to mention, every single tree and plant on the planet. Plus, he is going to burn alive infants, children, adults throughout the planet. Are you going to...

If you have been reading any of my other posts in this thread, it should already be clear to you as to how I view the thousand years, that I view it as time involving 24 hour day cycles. I do not agree that 24 hour cycles no longer exist once Christ returns. In my view, there is the NJ and there...

Obviously, if you are viewing some of these things in this manner, we are never going to get on the same page here ever. The NT mentions only one day of the Lord involving end times, and that it comes as a thief in the night. Of course it is. Why wouldn't it be? What is the point of even...

Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever ; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should...

Thinking out loud here. I can't speak for other Premils, but speaking for myself, though I am convinced that the NHNE begins with the 2nd coming, why then am I not also convinced that the millennium fits where Amils insist it fits? The following are some reasons why. There's numerous more...

All that aside, apparently you disagree that the present earth passes away during the day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night per the 2nd coming? Because if you did agree with that but still insist the new earth doesn't happen until over a thousand years later, what earth should we assume...

It's a reasonable argument anyway. I can't say that I am prepared at this time to fully agree, though. I guess I just need to think about it some more.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. For example. Clearly, this is involving the...

To be fair I guess, some Premils also use gymnastics at times, as my post #781 shows. Anyone that can deny that the NHNE begin with the 2nd coming is then making nonsense out of the passages I brought up. If 2 Peter 3:10 reveals that the day of the Lord comes as thief in the night involving the...

That's a possibility, I guess. Yet, it still doesn't help your position one way or the other, regardless. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of...

The question then is, these that put on immortality at the last trump, would they begin experiencing eternity on this same old earth, or would their experiencing of eternity begin on the new earth? IOW, the thousand years are the first thousand years of the everlasting new earth. Keeping in...

This was an excellent post, very insightful. Where I might disagree is what you said in the last paragraph---"I am convinced that at the second coming of Christ, we will not enter into eternity". How can eternity not begin for those that have put on immortality at the last trump(1 Corinthians...

If some of these martyrs in verse 4 are meaning the souls crying out for vengeance during the 5th seal, and that some of them are meaning their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, initially then, they can't be the same group. Granted, in the end they are...