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Are you meaning they can die during the millennium, or are you meaning Revelation 20:9 only? In the event it is the former, why do a lot of Premils think any mortals have to die during the millennium? Wasn't Adam a mortal? Did he not almost live an entire thousand years? When you think about...

Obviously, you are the wrong person I should be asking the following, the fact you have this strange 2 millennium theory going on in your head, where the saints are still reigning with Christ a thousand years after the thousand years expire. But since most of the rest of us don't believe saints...

That's real simple. After the time of the great white throne judgment, Certainly not before that time. It is then a question of, when does the great white judgment take place and when does it conclude? For example, Zechariah 14:16-19. Does the great white judgment take place and conclude before...

And once again you just proved you have no answers for what might help prove Amil in the event you are correct that Amil is the correct position. Therefore, of course it is pointless, it being your fault not mine, if Amil can't even convincingly explain why these in Revelation 20:8 are not...

I don't know if you are correct or not, but one thing I do not think, is this That it is meaning in the literal sense. Ezekiel 47 and the following alone already proves a literal sea is not meant in Revelation 21:1.. Ezekiel 47:7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were...

Unlike Amil, Premil has no one being deceived during the thousand years and has no one being warred against during the thousand years. Premil has all these things happening after the thousand years, thus agreeing with the text, not contradicting it instead like Amil is doing. Revelation 20:8...

If taken in context, I gave reasons why Amils will likely not grasp what follows---that being because Amils are notorious for making nonsense out of numerous OT prophecies by trying to explain them away, or trying to make them mean something they don't mean. For example Zechariah 14. Another...

For the most part since Amils are notorious for making nonsense out of numerous OT prophecies by trying to explain them away, or trying to make them mean something they don't mean, they are not going to grasp any of the following, either. Revelation 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and...

Maybe not currently, but eventually there will be Christian nations throughout the planet, the fact new Jerusalem is not meaning the entire planet, therefore, nations have to exist outside of it, obviously. If one argues that the new Jerusalem is meaning the entire planet, to be consistent then...

Speaking mainly to Amils here. No one in particular, though. Zechariah 14 aside, though we Premils believe it undeniably supports Premil, one of the strongest arguments in favor of Premil is what I already brought up, that being Matthew 19:28. Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I...

Roger, there is no way to fit the great white throne judgment into a single 24 hour day or less. Therefore, the last day of this age couldn't possibly be meaning the NHNE in the manner you are taking it to the mean, that it follows after the thousand years, after satans's little season, after...

That's exactly what it is meaning. In Isaiah 65:17 when it indicates the former will not come to mind, it is meaning the first heaven, the first earth that pertains to Revelation 21:1. This is not rocket science. Unfortunately, apparently some are not capable of reasoning through any of these...

This is yet another reason why it is perfectly logical that the NHNE come down with the return of Christ. In Revelation 19 we are first told this. Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready As...

Are you meaning apply Isaiah 65:17-25 to the here and now spiritually rather than to the future literally? If yes, there are several reasons that I can't see that working. 1) And the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. How can that be applicable to the here and now, the fact...

I think you and I are are on the same page here for the most part, except for maybe what you mentioned about a restoration of Judah from Babylonian captivity. Not that you might be wrong about that, I just don't know one way or the other, thus we are not on the same page. Plus you are not yet...

That too was my position for decades. Then one day it dawned on me, how am I'm being logical here? How can I insist that the NHNE doesn't come down until after the thousand years when I'm already agreeing it doesn't, the fact I am applying Isaiah 65:17 to the thousand years and that it is...

Since I suspect you likely studied under Shepherd's Chapel and the late Arnold Murray, unless you tell me otherwise, I have already encountered his students numerous times in the past. There is no reasoning with any of them, IOW. Therefore, a waste of my time if I think I might be able to reason...

This is not a bad argument. Yet, most Premils, if not all Premils, insist Isaiah 65, which also involves NHNE, that that is meaning during the thousand years rather than after. I do not see it being reasonable in the least, that there can be two different NHNEs. one during the thousand years...

In the event Amil is the correct position, maybe it is maybe it isn't, the only way to make sense out of these things in that case, this has to be connected with the falling away per 1 Thessalonians 2:3. Nothing else makes sense to me, assuming Amil might be the correct position. Then there is...

I have no clue how you arrived at that or why you would even want to. Why would John be prophesying about past events when it's pretty obvious, regardless when he saw these visions, that it was after Christ had already died and rose, and after Christ had already ascended to heaven and that he...