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IOW, your interpretation denies that the following has happened to this particular group of saints, thus why John sees the souls of them as well. Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast...

Ever heard of a bodily resurrection at the 2nd coming? Maybe that can explain it. How else should we think that saints who have been martyred live again, if not bodily via the resurrection of the saved during the last trump? Amil has martyred saints living again and reigning with Christ while...

I do at least agree with this part anyway. Where we are not on the same page is this. You tend to think the 7th trumpet hasn't already sounded as of the thousand years, and that I do think it has already sounded as of the thousand years. And what leads to me to conclude that? For one, what I...

Total Shepherd's Chapel nonsense. I am very familiar with what SC teaches. I reject what SC teaches. BTW, watch out for them dreaded Kenites. They are still out there you know.

Unless you have been living in another universe, you should already know that a good majority of Premils already agree that when a saved person dies they enter heaven in disembodied state while awaiting a bodily resurrection. What exactly are you arguing against here? Are you arguing that every...

Maybe someone like who fits the following. I can see them maybe being interested in what you are proposing. 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall...

You just don't get it. You apparently deny that even the saved physically die. You don't even understand that it is impossible to live forever unless the last trump has sounded first(1 Corinthians 15:51-57). You think when Jesus said that a believer shall never die, that He was applying that to...

Do other Amils agree with you that the 7th trumpet is the beginning of satan's little season? Speaking for myself, if I too thought satan's little season occurs in this age, the last place I would think it occurs is during the 7th trumpet. The 7th trumpet involves the wrath of God and the 2nd...

Since I at least agree with Amil that Isaiah 65:17-25 is involving the same NJ and NHNE that Revelation 21-22 is involving, it is then a matter of determining whether or not Isaiah 65:17-25 can fit the millennium. Because if it can, it for sure can't fit the era of time Amils apply to the...

Technically speaking, that is true what you said here. Yet, the way I look at things though, you can't have one without the other. You can't have a NJ coming down from heaven without there also being a NHNE. You can't have a NHNE without NJ coming down from heaven. Look what Isaiah 65 states...

Still some of you don't seem to get the point here, apparently. Pretty much all Premils, including me, both past and present, take Isaiah 65:17-25 to be involving the thousand years after Christ has returned in the end of this age. And what era of time are those verses undeniably involving? The...

Both Amils and Premils already agree with that, the fact satan's little season and the great white throne judgment are all post the the thousand years. The question then is, once Christ leaves heaven can He still be sitting on the right hand of God? Or is that only something He can do while in...

Ezekiel 47:8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed. 9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the...

Unless you haven't noticed, this is a public forum. Which means no post is a private post between just two people. If you want to make it private between you and whomever you might be addressing, that's what PMs are for. All I was doing was commenting that nothing you submitted in that post...

Not all Premils deny that Christ's kingdom has come since some of us can see the difference between it coming spiritually vs. it coming physically. What Premils do deny is that it has come in the physical sense. Meaning as in per the following, for example. Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man...

It's a spiritual war, obviously. And the following is one way we can know for certain, keeping in mind that the end is in sight in Revelation 19, meaning what happens when Christ returns, the end of this age. Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not...

Nothing you submitted here convinces me that you might be correct about these things. Instead of me explaining why yet again, just go to post #119 to see some reasons why I'm not convinced you might be correct here.

Here's an idea, since you apparently must think humans are superior in intelliegence to that of satan and his angels. What you are arguing here, let's see you use those same arguments to convince the rest of us that it was the biggest sham since the beginning of time if satan and the angels that...

Perhaps you overlooked how Revelation 21 begins. Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride...

Apparently, Zechariah 14:16-19 is not in your Bible. Or that you perhaps don't think Zechariah 14 is holy writ as well. Or that you perhaps can explain what Zechariah 14:16-19 is pertaining to if not the thousand years following the 2nd coming. IOW, pertaining to the here and now, what can...