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So where do they get taken up in the air to be with Jesus to, Oz? The space station? We go where He is. Where did you think He was, on a mountain? One so called side of claiming God is not in heaven and that we also will be is a worthless waste of time and abject foolishness. Nope. Empty...

Jesus delivers us from death and hell. So yes people have always been delivered by God in that sense. But you see the wrath is specifically the last years as well. So we are delivered from both, hell and etc and the last years of wrath. The time after He returns to earth is also known as the...

Let's revisit that then. What verse? That is the Rapture. So, what is your point relating to the topic?

Unless they are on point that matters not at all. I could offer a verse from Gen 1 or the whole bible in a long post here. That would be His word. When dealing with the pre tribulation/wrath of God resurrection in the air, you need to offer verses that apply! NOT a verse dealing with several...

That does not say they had oil in the lamps. That could be just the wicks. The wicks are big and probably could give fire for maybe a few minutes. In other words they would not have the real deal and the oil, just some showcase lamp or some such. Those who come to Jesus sincerely and ask will...

I think main reason that Lot and Noah's day was mentioned was because the world will be as or more wicked in the end. Similar. Since the world is still there after the Rapture for years, it will get even worse. So the best time it can be compared to the extreme wickedness of Noah and Lot's days...

Except that He did not come yet to rescue Christians, and rise up all the dead and living believers. I think you are talking about a small partial 'rapture' thousands of years ago Good points. I think it is safe to say that at least off topic preachers should refrain from accusing other posters...

No you did not. There is nothing to explain, they are two men. Trying to use them as some reason that the 'church' must still be here when they are is foolishness. No wonder you can't defend your claims. Instead you pretend that pointing this out is a 'strawaman' which is dishonest debating.

Ah, I see You think it is a sign that the Rapture is almost here. But the bible says he will be revealed at a certain time. 2 Thes 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom...

No, I pointed out that Mat 24 was not even about the rapture but about the return to earth of Jesus. So spamming verses that are not even about the rapture as if they were is doing what I said. I no more left that off topic bit out than I left the rest of the bible out! That is not about the...

He said "Everyone who declares pre-trib rapture is saying JESUS lied." and you just claimed the rapture before the wrath is a complete lie! That is a false accusation against those who believe it. The seven year period IS God's wrath. That may be where you derailed.

You have made statements you cannot back up whatsoever. You do not get to call Jesus taking us in the air as promised before the wrath a lie. That is part of the wrath of God. We are not appointed to wrath. Do you need the verse address? He will permit the saints in that time after the rapture...

Since the rapture is several years before the return of Jesus to the earth after the tribulation, there is not even a connection between that verse and the rapture. Basically you are spamming off topic verses and accusing other posters who know better of being liars. Not very high class

That could be. What also might be is that all the titles apply to the same person. So he could be a little horn, the prince that shall come, the man of sin, and the beast all at the same time rather than some sequence of events. It is true that it might take a little time after the rapture to...

No we probably won't know before the Rapture. So it doesn't matter If they were interested they would realize we are not appointed to the wrath of God and that He is coming to take us away to be with Him soon

You are suggesting that the final leader will first be king of Israel That seems a stretch. Israel is not exactly popular in the world and stands alone. But I don't doubt that Israel may be desperate enough for protection that they will look to some powerful leader who cons them into thinking he...

And..? Of course it is still future. Of course the tribulation has so many days....point?

Well, if some nation(s) take captives just before Jesus returns they get free real fast

He will deceive the world and speak lies and force worship and his mark of the beast, and put people to death who refuse, and speak great words etc. The world will say who is able to make war with the beast?

Yes I know. That is something new or surprising or unique? The bible says all that. Why would we need to study what some Jews think? He is the Lamb and the Lion. They did not know Him or what they were looking for obviously. Not to wise Jews or saved ones. Only to those who rejected Jesus...