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    "The word was a god"?

    .................................................. "ZERO to do with the [NT] Greek grammar"?? Have you actually studied John's grammar as used in John 1:1c.? I have studied it carefully and honestly. I have discovered where the best of trinitarian grammarians have ignored the exceptions to...
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    "The word was a god"?

    So, you are saying 1 Cor. 10:9 does not refer to Numbers 21:5,6?
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    ............................................... So why do most translations use "word" instead of "Word" (as used at John 1:1c)? This includes KJV; ASV; ESV; NIV; NASB; RSV; NRSV; etc.
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    "The word was a god"?

    ........................................................... RedFan wrote (post 209): “Anyway, the jump from W&H's "kurios" to NWT's "Jehovah" remains troubling to me.” ….…………………… # 209 above: “As noted above, ... the Westcott and Hort text ... use kurios at 1 Cor. 10:9. The NWT (and others)...
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    Non-Trinitarians, Please Answer This

    .............................. He didn't attempt to seize. I believe that he gave up (emptied himself of) his authority in heaven and his spirit form and became a mere human on earth. Remember this is supposed to be the great example of humility. He wouldn't consider himself as equal to God...
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    Non-Trinitarians, Please Answer This

    I believe that it may apply to his being a spirit person as are all those in heaven. Perhaps it is no more significant than being in the image of God.
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    Non-Trinitarians, Please Answer This

    Phil. 2:6 (“grasp,” “held onto”?) Harpagmos Now notice how these two very trinitarian Bibles have rendered it: 1. “He did not think to snatch at [harpagmos, ἁρπαγμὸς] equality with God” - NEB. 2. “He did not think that by force [harpagmos] he should try to become...
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    "The word was a god"?

    ....................................................... My fault. I have A Zondervan interlinear which uses "Nestle's New Testament" (21st edition). It uses kurios at 1 Cor. 10:9. It also says about that Nestle text (which uses kurios), "The Nestle's Greek New Testament [21st edition] .... is...
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    "The word was a god"?

    .................................................. As noted above, The Nestle text and the Westcott and Hort text both use kurios at 1 Cor. 10:9. The NWT (and others) used the W&H text. So when they found this to be a reference to Numbers 21:5,6, they replaced kurios with YHWH. Some Other...
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    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    ............................................................ I think you'll find that the ECF (Early Church Fathers) or, better yet, the ANF (Ante Nicene Fathers) wrote the originals in very early manuscripts. However, all originals are long gone. Unlike the many manuscripts of the NT...
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    "The word was a god"?

    ..................................... Translators choose the text they wish to translate. Modern texts: Nestle ('Lord'); W&H ('Lord'); UBS (Christ); Older text: Received Text ('Christ). So those Bibles which use the Received Text or the UBS texts would have 'Christ' in 1 Cor. 10:9. Whereas...
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    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    ........................................ I think you meant 1 John 5:7 in the KJV.
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    "The word was a god"?

    .................................................... As for the use of "a god" by John, This is a fact acknowledged by even most trinitarian experts: Some of these trinitarian sources which admit that the Bible actually describes men who represent God (judges, faithful Israelite kings, etc.)...
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    "The word was a god"?

    Weber's_Home posted in #196 above: FAQ: If Jesus isn't/wasn't Thomas' god, then why didn't Jesus strenuously object when his apostle addressed him as such? ..................................................... Because it was not a statement addressing him as 'God.' John 20:28 is a statement...
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    Non-Trinitarians, Please Answer This

    Perhaps we should go to a respected trinitarian source. I mentioned The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Vol. 3, p. 588, Zondervan, 1986. Here is the quote: Under “Sit” “1. for sitting (on a throne) as the proper posture of the king see e.g.Acts 12:21; Rev. 18:7. So...
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    Non-Trinitarians, Please Answer This

    “The Throne of God and of the Lamb” “Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.” - Rev. 22:1, RSV. Some trinitarians claim that if there is only one throne that God and the Lamb share, then they both must be...
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    Non-Trinitarians, Please Answer This

    ..................................... Rev. 3:21
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    L3ast…. wrote, #366: 1 Jn.5:7 ( context 5-8 ) For there ARE THREE that bear record in heaven, THE FATHER,THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and these three are one. Who then is Jesus ? Jn.3:16 -21 Jesus was foretold in all the prophesies of the OT, of as the coming REDEEMER sent by God to save his...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Ronald Nolette wrote in #346: .... Philippians 2:6-10 King James Version 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    ........................................................... In vol. 5, p. 257 the respected The Expositor's Greek Testament speaking of Sharp’s Rule says: "In the present case [Jude 1:4], however, the second noun (kupiov [“lord”]) belongs to the class of words which may stand without the...