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  1. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Then why make the comment; Seems like an odd comment to make unless you had certain knowledge otherwise huh? Since the n.t. was written in greek i have no problem with petra/petros. Why do you? Peter isn't the rock being spoken of. No one is added to the church by peter. We are born again by...
  2. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Show it to us. Link us to an extant copy of Matthews gospel in hebrew...from the first century. Also, properly cite your sources. What book, chapter?? I have no problem with petra/petros. Why do you? Youre saying you know for a fact not one single person since Adam was ever named petros prior...
  3. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    I'm not the one thats confused. Catholics try to force meanings on biblical words that don't exist within the text so they go running to other sources. All this shows is that catholics can't be bothered with the plain text of scripture. I understand the history of your faith. It wasn't around in...
  4. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Having aramiac words, of which there are few means what exactly? The n.t. was written in greek not latin, aramiac or sanskrit. Yet catholics will use any and everything other than first century n.t. greek to support a position. Why? Because the bible doesn't say what they want it to say, so use...
  5. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    I never said there weren't ANY aramaic words in the n.t. But the Holy Spirit inspired the writers to pen the n.t. in koine greek, not aramaic. Unless you have that elusive extant copy of the n.t. in aramaic? Didn't think so.
  6. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Wikipedia? lol. Maybe i expect too much from some people? I'm not annoyed about anything. I know what the n.t. says. Apparently you'd rather know what 21st century americans think instead of the biblical authors. Again, not my problem.
  7. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    You keep moving the goalposts. Typical catholic tactic. And who cares if Jesus spoke aramaic? The Holy Spirit inspired the writers to write in greek right? Not aramaic. You love your strawmen arguments don't you?
  8. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Students of the bible want to know what the writers thought. Not what 21st century americans think. I know exactly what it means. Do you know what a lexicon is? I'm thinking not.
  9. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Well then we do bible study two very different ways. You want to know what a word means now. Thats not gonna get you very far when it comes to accuracy. If you want to know what new testament words mean, get a lexicon and find out what the koine greek means, not websters.
  10. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    And as i've said. Who cares what the word means today? If you want to study the bible knowing the authors intention you need to know what he wrote, in the language he wrote it. In the case of the bible that would be koine greek. In the bible, priest isn't either presbuteros or episkopos. No...
  11. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    You fail to understand simple greek words. Seems you know what a greek word is when it suits you. When it doesn't its duh, whats greek? You obviously haven't studied this. Its not debatable in the n.t. Priest is not episkopos or presbuteros. Lets see the n.t. greek where either of those two...
  12. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Youre still deflecting. New testament koine greek is what is being discussed. Not what words became later. The n.t. greek word for priest isn't presbuteros or episkopos. Seems like a fact you just don't want to deal with. Thats your problem not mine.
  13. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    What term? Wrong. Greek grammarians are the authority on n.t. koine greek. When we talk about the greek n.t. we need to use first century greek lexicons. Who cares what the word became thousands of years later? You all have this completely backwards.
  14. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Yada yada yada. If anyone decided to pick up a lexicon you would see something different. But alas, no one on romes side of the tiber seems too interested in that. Muddy the waters <~~~~~ old roman catholic saying.
  15. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    We are a royal priesthood; 1 Peter 2:9. A holy priesthood 1 Peter 2:5 to offer spiritual sacrifices. We offer our bodies as a living sacrifice; Romans 12:1. And Romans 15:16 has nothing to do with the temple, or a sacerdotal priesthood.
  16. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    And who made that determination? Not me. The n.t. has a word for priest, its not presbuteros. There is a word for elder, overseer and they aren't priest. Thats your issue not mine. Paul uses episkopos and presbuteros interchangeably. Show us where he or anyone else uses priest interchangeably...
  17. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    The new testament has a specific word for priest and its not presbuteros. Lexical definitions are what need to look at, not some dictionary thousands of years later. That is if we want the closest most accurate definition. And as students of the bible we do want to be as accurate and precise as...
  18. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    And it was wrong. Sorry about that.
  19. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    I anticipated as much. You all must have the same playbook because regardless of whom i talk with, whenever i mention the greek or ask for a lexical definition you all run to websters. Why would you translate a 1st century greek word with a 21st century english dictionary? Especially in light of...
  20. Nondenom40

    Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

    Presbuteros doesn't mean priest, if thats where you were going. Thats three words you clearly don't know.