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  1. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    Isa. 49:22-23 "Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy...
  2. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    The Jews are a burdensome stone to the world right now, it will get heavier though. Better watch any attitude toward that burden.
  3. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    Why do I feel that you will be a part of this, Truth? Zech. 12:3 "And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."
  4. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    That's a good question, and will be the sorrow of many who prejudge who they are. Maybe someone could answer that but I can't, I don't know, and have never talked to anyone who does know. What's important to know is that we don't know! God is very peculiar over His chosen, many times in...
  5. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    We must believe the Scripture. I know sometimes that's not easy to do.
  6. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    I would say that what you don't understand is that come hell or high water, Israel will be saved. It will be a mighty act by the hand of God that brings them in. The promise to faithful Abraham will be kept no matter what!
  7. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    Zech. 13:8-9 "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they...
  8. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    What I'm referring to is man presenting the Gospel to Israel. They will not accept it! To the point the apostles had to leave Israel. Only an act of God will get their attention.
  9. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    Paul goes back to the OT, as he always did, in this case, the words of Isaiah. He is referring to the remnant down through history who have been saved of Israel. Including the remnant of his day. We know from Scripture that only 1/3 of the population of Israel at the time of "Jacobs Trouble"...
  10. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    Have you noticed in the Scripture that even the original 12 left Israel behind and took that Gospel to various places around the world? What that tells me is that man cannot convert the stiff-necked Jew. It will take an act of God in punishment for Him to keep the promise made to faithful...
  11. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    No, they have not! Israel was called as a nation. They will fulfill their calling, as a nation. They failed the first time, but that failure created the Church! But they will not fail the second time, we have to much Scripture, overwhelming Scripture to prove other wise.
  12. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    They were actually chosen in the very beginning of creation to be the mouthpiece of God. They were to accept Christ as a nation when He came. Then they would announce their Messiah to the world. In other words, they were chosen by God to evangelize the entire world. And guess what? They are...
  13. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    Of course not! Neither is it saving them now, or throughout their history. Only faith in the Coming Christ could save them. Only 3 of the original Hebrews who left Egypt of the estimated 2-3 million (including women and children) actually made it to the promised land. The rest died in the...
  14. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    So that I'm on target, are you speaking of Christ being the Seed of Abraham, the Cornerstone?
  15. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    Are you beginning to see the teachings of Dispensationalism creep into the conversation? Israel and the Church dealt with in separate ways, their salvation at different times, their calling separate from that of the Church?
  16. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    That is not correct! Only part of Israel has fulfilled that calling, by way of the Church! The original calling of Israel was before and separate from the Church. That is the calling they will fulfill! Totally and independent from the Church. We're talking about God's chosen people here, and...
  17. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    You have much to learn about proper communication! I'm not a baby sitter, so ignore seems to be the correct option!
  18. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    I'm not going to warn you again about multiple posting! I give you time to respond and you will do the same, one post at a time, or it's over.
  19. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    You have to prove your case before accusing someone of division.
  20. Charlie24

    Romans 11:25-27. New prophecy about the future or old prophecy about an ongoing reality?

    The nation of Israel is saved "after" the times of the Gentiles have completed. Have you not read (Rom. 11:25), "Israel has been partially blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." So your theory is incorrect! National Israel is saved apart from the Gentiles. By the same Gospel...