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  1. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Did you spend any time at all looking at textual variants of Acts 20:28? They are most definitely there. As I said, even most trinitarian scholars acknowledge that. They have to, because there are in fact textual variants there. In any case, whatever Acts says, it must agree with 1 Cor 8:6 and...
  2. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, I certainly don't blame you for wasting time. I think it would be a huge waste of time trying to prove anything I said is wrong.
  3. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Why would Stephen praying to God make him God? 1Tim 2:5, For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Here Jesus is called both a mediator and a man. A mediator stands between two parties, in this case people and God. The very fact Jesus stands between...
  4. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    About what? Jesus didn't say the Pharisees were following tradition? The Pharisees were not the religious leaders? Peter does not say Christians share in the divine nature? Corinthians and John do not say only the Father is God? The orthodox church is somehow immune to following tradition? I...
  5. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Paul told the Pharisees that they followed tradition instead of the scriptures (Matt 15:6, Mark 7:13). The Pharisees were the religious leaders of that time but that didn't make them immune from following tradition instead of the scriptures. If it was true then there is no reason it can't be...
  6. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Yeah, the Hebrew word for worship is used many times of people bowing to a superior. The same Hebrew word is used for "worship" and "bowing." I think it's something like "shelach" but better verify that before passing it on. :)
  7. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I'm sorry, but none of the verses you listed actually say anything about Jesus being God. John 8:54 for example is clearly talking about two different people with no hint whatsoever that those two people are part of the trinity. Such an idea has to be inserted into the verse because. Likewise...
  8. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I think the scriptures clearly declare tongues to be a manifestation. 1 Cor 12:7-10, 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith...
  9. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, I didn't take it out of context, but disregarded your "context" and applied the right context to it. And it was very purposeful. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Don't take me too seriously. I know your position and I respect your steadfastness to it. I don't agree...
  10. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You took my "easy as pie" totally out of context. I'll try that with your post: "The logos is God Himself, more specifically, the Son of God (Who is also the Son of Man), Who shares fully in the one divine essence...Such would be the very antithesis of logic." There you go. Just like that...
  11. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Very good points. I was thinking of Joseph and how he was second in command to Pharaoh. Joseph's words were as if Pharaoh himself said them. The only thing Pharaoh had over Joseph was the throne. Does that remind you of somebody else in the Bible? :) 1 Cor 15:28, And when all things shall be...
  12. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Logos is certainly translated in many different ways, but 80% of them are "say," "saying," or "words" which is a pretty good indication of its basic meaning. The majority of the rest are pretty close to those three meanings. Since logos is a word that really hasn't been used for many centuries...
  13. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    And we have the mind of Christ. 1 Cor 2:16, For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. I'm guessing you wouldn't think we are actually Christ because we have the mind of Christ. So why would Jesus having the mind of his Father make him...
  14. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Hello Brother. Context. You forgot the rest of the chapter. It changes everything. The previous verses were talking about the princes of this world not knowing anything about God. The rest of the chapter is talking about born again believers and it's quite a different story for them. We can know...
  15. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    The part I like best is, "WAIT, THERE'S MORE:" As if that which proceeded wasn't enough to send condemn me to 10,000 deaths! :)
  16. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Sure, just go full blown Gnostic. Learn the "secrets" and all is well! :)
  17. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I'm thinking that being one does not actually make two or more people somehow one person. Otherwise how would you explain all of us also being one? I think you're a great guy and all, but I do like being myself! I think there are better explanations for what it means when two or more people are...
  18. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Yes, most of the verses they use to "prove" the trinity say nothing of the sort. They take a section where Jesus is talking to his Father and make it out to be God talking to Himself. They really like John. Well, not quite all of it. They don't like John 20:31 where John gives his purpose in...
  19. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I've read "How Jesus Became God." Very good book, but most non-scholarly trinitarians dismiss history as though it has no bearing on anything. Denial, denial, denial...! Of course history does not determine truth, but there's no reason it can't help verify the truth. Trinitarians don't mind...
  20. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You and I should be looking for asbestos body suits! :)