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  1. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I think you are very wise in not worrying about it. :)
  2. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Well, it is true that in the church there is no Jew nor Gentile. They are in truth all one in Christ. But there is more on the subject than Galatians 3:26-29. We must consider all scripture and avoid building an entire doctrine on a few isolated verses. Galatians in no way suggests that all...
  3. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No. 1 Cor 10:32, Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: I'm casting my lot in with Paul who believed in 3 peoples today. I think he is right.
  4. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    As I told you before I did read your whole post. I also gave you a good reason why I didn't comment on it. I don't understand why somebody would not see any difference between the time, the dispensation if you will, of the Garden of Eden before and and after Adam sinned. I also don't understand...
  5. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I appreciate your concern that I'm not born again. I could tell you it's an ill founded concern, but I don't suppose it'd change your mind, so I won't. Wait...I guess I just did. Ignore that part. :)
  6. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You seem pretty secure in your belief. If you don't believe in dispensations, there wouldn't be much point in going into material that depended on dispensations.
  7. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    My mistake. Forgive me. I should have been more specific. 2 Sam 7:13, He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 2 Sam 7:16, And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever...
  8. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Yeah, those premils to seem wanting to consider context all the time. And that's bad...why?
  9. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I'm taking it that you don't believe in different dispensations. I know a lot of folks don't. Well, there is this; Matt 15:24, But he (Jesus) answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt 10:5, These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying...
  10. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Whatever it should or should not say, does not change the problem of building an entire doctrine on one verse. Al verses need to be considered. Plus it wouldn't change the fact that all bets are off as to the message when we decide to spiritualize the scriptures instead of taking them for what...
  11. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I believe exactly what they say. But you probably want to know about who the "we" is. Well the "we" is John and the people to whom he wrote. John was certainly born again when he wrote. I just read verses 6, 8, and 10 with that in mind. Have you considered the difference between birth and...
  12. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Including the land of Canaan that God God promised Abraham? Usually there is a king in a kingdom, and Jesus isn't here yet to take the throne and execute judgment. Nor does it appear that the devil has been cast into the lake of fire which happens before the judgment in Rev 20.
  13. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Way out of context. It's never good to build an entire doctrine on one isolated verse while ignoring the context as well as the overall message of scripture. If we're going to spiritualize the scriptures, the sky is the limit as to what doctrines we can conjure up. It's Gnosticism at it's...
  14. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Where does the mystery that God kept secret until he revealed it to Paul (Eph 3:19, et.al) fit in?
  15. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    If we begin to spiritualize scripture, it is dangerously close to treading on Gnostic ground. Not saying you're a Gnostic, but that is what they did.
  16. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    When Jesus ascended into heaven 10 days before Pentecost, an angel told the disciples that Jesus would return. I would think it odd to take this to mean he'd return anywhere but from whence he was, i.e., the earth. Rev 19:19, And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies...
  17. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I would think a section in Thessalonians and Corinthians that are relevant to the matter. 1 Thess 4:15-17, 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself...
  18. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Don't worry one bit about it. I totally understand. I've done the same thing myself. It's easy to get lost in the muddle of things around here sometimes. I'm a huge proponent of tongues as well as all the other 8 manifestations. I was just trying to counter the doctrine that only some...
  19. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    OK. I get all of that. I've said many times that our spirit is perfect and can not sin. Never have I said otherwise. I've also said that is only a part of our present reality. We have flesh, No good thing dwells in the flesh. We can not be made perfect in the flesh. The flesh is a sin nature...
  20. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I think this is the crux of the matter. Everything really comes down to whether I do understand about every good and perfect gift from above or I don't. I'm confident I do have that understanding, but you seem to be of a different opinion on that. No problem there. In my life I've encountered...