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  1. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I don't recall having said I'm the only one who understands 1 Cor 12:7-10. Lot's of people do. Perhaps I did miss a verse I didn't answer, but it would not have been intentional. If you would be so kind as to point out which ones I didn't answer, I'll do my best to give you an answer. Yes...
  2. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, all I understand is what they wrote. I assume they meant what they wrote. Do you think there is some hidden meaning in the scriptures? I know that's not uncommon, so I was just wondering. Where did you get the idea about East vs. West? Was it because I've brought that up a few times now...
  3. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Setting myself up for failure? I think not! 1 Pet 1:3-4, 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and...
  4. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    While I don't doubt what you say about how "we" is used in today's world, are you certain that a culture quite different than our own and separated from our own by 2,000 years would understand it the same way? I'm thinking probably not. But it would take some research to come up with a...
  5. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    As I'm sure you know, by cherry picking certain verses it is possible to prove anything at all. However, we dare not do that. We must consider the overall context of the scriptures. Yes, our spirits are perfect and can not sin. That is why we are told to walk by that spirit. When we do we won't...
  6. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Rom 6:12, Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Apparently it is possible to let sin reign in our mortal body, the flesh in which no good thing dwells. I never said we will be condemned by our sins. We have already been judged and found...
  7. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    You are right as far as the holy spirit we all have. That is indeed as righteous as God. But until we get new bodies when Jesus comes back, we all have flesh and Paul is clear that there is no good thing in the flesh. According to Romans 7, there is a constant battle between the flesh and the...
  8. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Why in the world would it be too difficult for me to tell you if I've ever been to church? You lost right there with that. If that's your attitude I have no interest in reading any further. 2 Tim 2:16, But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
  9. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Here's 1 Cor 12:7 in KJV: 1 Cor 12:7, But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. That's an important distinction. The things listed in then next 3 verses are manifestations. The gift it holy spirit, but being spirit we can't detect it by our 5 sense. Hence God...
  10. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    So every "we" in 1 John refers to unbelievers? That doesn't sound right. Besides, I don't take any church official as the standard of truth. Do you really think that on Pentecost John understood in one fell swoop everything it means to be a Christian, the new creation, their righteousness in...
  11. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    What about all the "we" in 1 John? I still don't see where there is a distinction between immature and mature fruit. If that is true, then all Christians would at some point have been liars and walk in darkness until they grew up. That makes no sense. Where the Apostles liars and walking in...
  12. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I see now. It all makes sense. But how do you know that everything I say is not true? What's the standard for determining truth? Maybe I'm part of your relationship journey and you should give heed to what I say. How would you know? It's obvious you are a seeker of the truth. In light of your...
  13. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Your reply seems as though you are prejudiced against me. You seem to stick with one statement while ignoring the many times I self corrected that statement. But I suppose it best that I correct it in the OP. I'll do it right now. I'll let the scriptures be my last response. 1Cor 4:3-5, 3 But...
  14. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    OK. A bit nit-picky, but valid as fart as it goes. Yes, there is seed and there is incorruptible seed. In that regard you are in complete agreement with 1 Peter 1:23, as well as myself. I mean, I'm the one who brought it up in the first place, so clearly I acknowledge it. I believe I also...
  15. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I did understand your reference to fruit of the spirit, but I fail to see anything that makes a distinction between immature and mature fruit there. I can certainly see the difference between a Christian being immature or mature, but I was wondering about the immature fruit you mentioned. All I...
  16. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Perhaps Paul wasn't in the group of Pharisees Jesus was talking to that day? Actually he could not have been there that day, since as you say, he did get born again by God's incorruptible seed. There is nothing in scripture to indicate all Pharisees are children of the devil. Paul must have been...
  17. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Would you mind terribly going over every verse in 1 John 1 and tell me who each "we" refers to and why. For example, I don't think the "we" in verse 1 can possibly mean all human beings. It looks like it means the folks who personally witnessed the events of Jesus' life, i.e., the Apostles. I...
  18. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Honestly, I don't know where you get those ideas in the scriptures. I mean, where does it talk about immature fruit? Sin unto death, the proverbial "unforgivable" sin? Jesus said the Pharisees were of their father, the devil (John 8:44). In other words, he told them they were of the devil's...
  19. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Got it. Still, it must be his sentiment also, else he would not have quoted it. BTW, what's the difference between the "we" in verses 6, 7, & 8 in 1 John 1? Grammatically, I don't see the difference. I don't see where the subject of the pronoun changed between those verses. To whom does the...
  20. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    No, you did not hurt my feelings. Not a bit. As I said, I'll be judged by Jesus when the time comes. Being a non-trinitarian and a monotheist (in the truest sense of the word as per 1 C0r 8:6, which leaves no room for anybody being God but the Father) for some 40 years now, I've been called...