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  1. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    There were no born again Jews in the Gospels. If there were, why did Jesus bother to die? Apparently his death and resurrection was not necessary to get saved if folks could get saved before he died.
  2. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    First of all, the word "churches" is the Greek word "ekklesia" which means an assembly of any sort. Acts contains a record where an unruly mob was called an ekklesia. Secondly, read the letters to the 7 assemblies and you may notice many things God said to Israel in the past, but the language...
  3. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    You probably wont' like to hear this, but all I can say is you are mixing up times and peoples. Revelation is highly Jewish in character. Over and over again it refers to the OT. It is the fulfillment of the very physical kingdom God promised Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It has nothing to do with...
  4. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    We must keep in mind to whom God is talking. If what you say is true, given that every book in the NT tells the reader in some way or another to not sin, it must be understood that God only talked to sinners. Never said anything to born again folks. That's not right.
  5. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    If you're right, Jesus died for no reason. If we could get eternal life before he died, his death was pointless. It's never good to build an entire doctrine on one verse.
  6. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    All these verses are talking about Revelation, when Jesus establishes the physical kingdom that God promised Israel. We are living in an age that nobody knew anything about until God revealed it to Paul. Col 1:25-26, 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which...
  7. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    So now I'm afraid I do understand you claim you never sin. That is at variance with many verses, including 1 John 1:18. 1 John 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. As you read that aloud, keep in mind that "we have" is present tense. It's not...
  8. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Jesus never said one word about the New Testament. Despite the big red letters that say "New Testament of our Lord" on an otherwise blank page in front of Matthew, the New Testament didn't begin until Pentecost. Nobody in the gospels was born again. The new birth was not available until...
  9. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, as far as I can tell, your are claiming to be free from sin. I have to think I misunderstand you on that score, but I'm not 100% sure you are in fact claiming to be free from sin in the flesh. Galatians goes to great lengths to tell born again Christians they are walking after the flesh...
  10. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Do I understand you to say that you no longer have flesh and therefore never sin?
  11. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    If you want, check out a new post, "Pentecost - the upper room or temple?" in the Bible Study Forum.
  12. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I just can't get past 1 Cor 12:7-10 where tongues is called a manifestation. I still don't see it called a manifested gift. Are you being obtuse because you don't see it the way I do? Why am I obtuse but you're not? Could it not be we just see it in different ways? And why am I the one lacking...
  13. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I usually get called on the carpet for using sarcasm in these forums, so I thought that was the custom. Now I know we can use it. Good. I think it can be an effective tool of grammar when used correctly. I'm not sure saying someone is thin skinned is simply sarcasm, but I'll take your word for...
  14. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, if you don't struggle with sin, if you automatically walk in accord with the spirit, I wish I were you! :) But, as my mom used to say, "If wishes were horses, beggars would be writing." I think you actually struggle with the old sin nature as much as Paul struggled with it. Better to say...
  15. Rich R

    Pentecost - upper room or temple?

    There are two different camps in Christendom when it comes to where the events of Pentecost transpired. Some say the upper room and others the temple. The fact is, there is no verse that explicitly says it took place in either one. Acts 2:1, And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they...
  16. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Rom 7:25, I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. This summary of Romans 7 shows Paul, very much born again, nonetheless struggled with the old nature. I think it unfathomable that born again folks...
  17. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    The Gospels are still OT and deal with the Jews. Jesus told the women who wanted healing that he only came for Israel (Matt 15;24). At that time the Gentiles were still without God and without hope (Eph 2:12). Given that the Gospels took place before Pentecost, there was as yet no Church of the...
  18. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I think it fair to say Paul was very much a Christian. Verses 22 & 23 sure seem to say Paul had two natures, one spiritual and another flesh, warring within. And why would God tell us to put off the old and put on the new if all we had was the new? Eph 4:22-24, 22 That ye put off concerning...
  19. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    2Pet 1:3, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: This says that a knowledge of God is all we for life and godliness. The question becomes, where do we get that...