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It wasn't about a generation. It was about unbelief. It was about disobedience and an outright rejection of Messiah. Can you honestly look at the verses below and say to yourself that the NT teaches that when the next generation of Israel came along the kingdom was offered to them as a national...

Well, I thoroughly agree they cannot be in eternity. But...I can't see that they can be in 'this age' either. When we look at several texts, we see that many events of Christ's coming signal an end to things that cannot be pushed past it and into a Millennial period: Just as the weeds are...

Hmmm...yes..."clear". I suppose that does depend on where you're sitting. From my position your getting your view from an erroneous focus on OT promises when the NT 'clearly' calls us to read it otherwise, and from Revelation, a notoriously apocalyptic book so choc-a-block full of imagery it...

Yes it was a proclamation to Israel, but once more, you do not factor in the parables Jesus told TO the Jews of how the kingdom would be taken away from them and given to another people. That would be the Gentiles. And the rest of the NT gives us plenty of proof that it was. You cannot ignore...

First...I believe I addressed the tension between the OT/NT promises later on in my previous post, so I'm not sure I need to go over that again. Secondly, why on earth would any NT fulfillment in Christ of these promises mean that God lied? Do you see any of the OT promises that the Messiah will...

The very great reason I am not interested in engaging in discussion with you is that you tend to make sweeping statements of both assumption and of arrogance. You start from a place of absolute superiority in your understanding and doctrine, labeling and therefore dismissing the notion that the...

In truth, I am finding that I simply have better things to do today that attempt to follow the contortions of your mind. Please...feel free to continue believing as you do, you do, of course, have the right to think and believe as you wish. But sir, your logic fails to sway.

As I was yours...however...perhaps at this junction we should allow that rather than being 'twisted' we are just plain misunderstanding one another. Neither do I...by 'eternity' I believe Satan is solidly in the lake of fire. You may well disagree with my views on the 1000 years, but they in...

Except, my point is...you can't say that the OT says the kingdom will go to Israel, then come to the NT and have Jesus tell Israel that the kingdom is being taken from them because they are wicked and undeserving. Are you also saying that Jesus is lying? Is God lying? What is the problem? The...

It is? Okay then, show me where Jesus, or any Disciple, says that the Kingdom has been taken away from Israel and will be offered back to it at a later generation. Also, please show the verses that tell us that this kingdom, because it has been withdrawn from Israel...to be offered at a later...

Hello? Did I not just say that biblical context was "always important"...and therefore implied? No...no...of course you are QUITE right. His kingdom is both NOT OF this world and ALREADY HERE, among us....in quite a literal way. :rolleyes: I posit that you fail to address these two verses...

Oh, come on...do try and have a little conversational honesty. You asked me in Post #693 "If this is eternity, are you admitting that Satan will be released to deceive the nations again afer your XXXX time frame?" My answer was: "I don't see this as eternity"....therefore your question is moot...

First off: you posted all those verses by tagging yourself. If I hadn't specifically gone back looking for them, I wouldn't have had then come up as "atten'd" for me. Secondly: I can, if you truly desire, go through your mountain of OT references to the 'kingdom'. However, as I've discussed...

I'm sorry, but this is both laughable and in error. It is in error because your specific 'fault' with me was for 'using a single verse' to prove my point. You said nothing of context...which, I would imagine is always important and you in no way proved I had used my 'single verse' OUT of...

Well...I think if we look at the whole of the passage...the unbroken paragraph, we do find the topic is one where Paul is advising Timothy on eldership: Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching. For the Scripture...

I do not see Rev 20 as 'eternity'. Yeah? Huh? Where on earth did you get that from? Where have I EVER said saved people can become unsaved people? Bound? Yes. Chains? What do you think? Think iron can hold him? I think, as happened in Job, God has given him specific mandates that he cannot...

Apparently its hard to support all this with scripture. So you say with a nothing more than a wave of your hand. But, as I showed with many scriptures in #533, scripture does indeed point to 'new birth' for the Christian...you confirmed that yourself. Do you know what this means? It means...

Again, context is rather key. Because...'blessings' are never represented in scripture as something that gives salvation, are they? When Jesus was telling his followers to 'bless those who curse you', he was advising them twofold: one, for their own spiritual benefit and growth...no Christian...

Okay...being perfectly honest here, and hope you understand. I...struggle to understand you at times. The way you phrase things. That is not necessarily a reflection upon you. As someone on the spectrum I can, at times, just 'not get' if someone is on a different wavelength. So...if it seems...