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Well, I think John actually said the logos was made flesh. Understanding the logos involves much more than hearing it is Jesus in pre-incarnate form from some pulpit and just running with it. It requires some amount of independent research and study. But it can be known. I trust you also...

True as far as you went, but he went on to identify exactly who the true God is, namely the Father. By sheer logic, if Jesus is God, and only the Father is God, then Jesus is the Father. It's got nothing to do with my personal view. Easy to say, harder to prove. Nobody is saying the Son is the...

John 14:21, He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. When you talk about your father, as Jesus did here (my Father), do people understand you to be saying...

How can you explain a son being his own father? You can't. That's the whole point. But we can ignore, the many clear verses that would make it quite impossible for Jesus to be God (such as the 2 in the OP), and just accept that which defies all the normal meaig of simple words, phrases, and...

John 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Who is the "thee" that is the only true God? Who was Jesus talking to when he said this? John 17:1, These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said...

I know all those verses. Most say nothing about Jesus being God. However, if taken with a liberal amount of liberty in word meaning and grammar, they could be squeezed into saying Jesus is God, but then they would be contradicting what Jesus said in John 17:3 and what Paul said in 1 Cor 18:6. We...

It's my personal view that Jesus himself said the Father is the one God in John 18:3? It's also my personal view that Paul said the Father is the true God in 1 Cor 8:6? Sorry, but I didn't write the scriptures. If these verses upset your view of Jesus being God, talk to God. He's the one who...

Seriously, you have no problem with Jesus being the Father?

John 14:23 uses the pronouns "we" and "our" which normally means two people. Why does it mean one person here? I trust you know Jesus also said we are all one in he and his Father. John 17:21, That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in...

I understand your point, but if you read the OP carefully, it is obvious that Jesus is either the Father of not the one true God. I take it you are saying he is in fact the one true God. You've therefore made him the Father as per his own declaration in John 17:3 and Paul's declaration in 1 Cor...

I'm not 100% sure of what you are saying. The issue is Jesus is either the Father or is he not the true God.

I think you are saying there is a contradiction between the verses I quoted and the ones I quoted. At least that's what I got out of hour first statement, "This is all totally contradicted..." Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I also think you just want to let the contradiction stand and close the...

I trust you realize you have left scripture and are wandering around in tradition? I mean, there's nothing about an "essential nature" in the actual scriptures. The same with three distinct persons being "essentially" one. In fact, that is a good example of what I meant by "wiggling" and...

Let me get this right; the Godhead is opposite than a person, therefore God is not a person? He is the opposite of a person, i.e. a thing. You said it, not me. :) All you have to do is let go of tradition and you won't have to wiggle and squeeze the normal meaning of simple words, such as...

Talking to his Father (John 17:1), Jesus said, John 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Jesus said his Father is the only true God and that agrees with what Paul wrote in Corinthians. 1 Cor 8:6, But to us [there...

Neither a nature nor a divine nature is an actual person, so God is till a "thing." Terrible situation!

So now God is no longer a person. He has become a thing, i.e. a "nature." :( Do you really want to say that? There must be something better. Perhaps it could it be that Yahweh is actually the one true God (john 17:3, 1 Cor 8:6) and Jesus is actually His son (too many verses to quote, but you...

Why? All we have to do is change the normal meaning of a few simple words! No problem. No need to make sense! :)

John 17:1-3, 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is...

I never would have guessed that English is your second language! You are better than many native speakers. Here's the reply I gave in #234: "Now I know that the word Elohim in Gen 1:1 is called a "uni-plural" but that's man's invention and doesn't make it any less of an oxymoron so long as we...