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  1. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Calling "uni-plural" an oxymoron is not something someone says when they have no answer. It is a perfectly valid answer. Let's look at the meaning of a few simple words: oxymoron n 1: conjoining contradictory terms (as in `deafening silence') Uni- U"ni- [L. unus one. See One.] A prefix...
  2. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Which is an oxymoron! :)
  3. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    You are building a doctrine by yanking a few verses out of context! I don't think God unilaterally decides who He will have compassion on. By considering other parts of the scriptures you can see exactly who He decides to have mercy on, namely all who confess Jesus as Lord and Believes He...
  4. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Good point about three beings approaching polytheism. The Athenasian Creed solves it by first listing three Gods (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) and then blithely going on to say they are not three Gods but one God. Someone can call a pig a lap dog, but it's still a pig. I've seen that about God...
  5. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    I understand. The Athenasian Creed is pretty interesting read. You can find a lot of info about it as well as a Latin and English version here: Athanasian Creed - Wikipedia. As far as I know, it contains the foundational doctrine of the Roman Catholic faith. Probably may Protestants also, but...
  6. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    I suppose that could be said about God, but the Athenasian Creed names three Gods then says they are not three Gods, but one God. I don't think it's talking about hats. Actually, I don't know what it says, given it violates pretty much all rules of logic and grammar as well as radically changing...
  7. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    If I'm not misunderstanding you, you are saying that God is a "being" and therefore is not "a" person. Assuming I have it right, wouldn't that make God a "thing" made up of three persons? If He is a real person, then that's what He is, a real person, singular, which is the normal definition of...
  8. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    I guess there's a difference between being "a" father and "the father." But that does beg the question of who is God the Son of? If He is "a" son, he has to have a father. Your father is also somebody's son. Wouldn't that be his father, thereby making two distinct individuals? I don't see where...
  9. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    If you can get what you can make a coherent story out of a son being his own father, then so be it. That's free will, a wonderful gift from God. Of course it does have consequences when we go against God, but He's a forgiving Father and understands our frames.
  10. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Not saying you're wrong, but how does this fit into your doctrine: 1 Tim 2:4, Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. It looks like God would certainly like all to be saved, so why aren't all saved? Or are all saved?
  11. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    You keep wanting to change this verse to: "He is God, the firstborn of all creation." That's not what the verse says. Why is it so hard to understand what an image is? Image: An imitation, representation, or similitude of any person, thing, or act, sculptured, drawn, painted, or...
  12. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Well, I told you the facts about the word "mystery" in the original texts. I made up absolutely nothing, I merely quoted well known and highly respective sources. It would easy enough to verify if what I said is true or not.
  13. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    No, I do believe in the Athenasian Credit, but it's not me that believes it. I don't believe it. Sound weird? Well I don't think it's any weirder than what the Creed says, namely that there is a God the Father, there is a God the Son, and there is a God the Holy Ghost, but there are not three...
  14. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    It is. :)
  15. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    We in the modern West think of a mystery as something that can't be understood. That's not how the 1st Near Eastern people understood it. Here's Strong's definition of "mystery" G3466 μυστήριον musterion (mï-stee'-riy-on) n. a secret or “mystery.” {through the idea of silence imposed by...
  16. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    First of all, logic is not the invention of humans. God gave us minds which can only comprehend that which is logical. All the words we use to communicate are based on logic, and God used words to communicate His will to us. How do you come to a conclusion about anything, including the identity...
  17. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Do you not think God gave us brains and minds that work with logic? If you think no, you wouldn't be able to prove it. I think proof of anything requires logic, so even if there was a trinity nobody could prove it. It would have to be accepted by blind faith, which in itself is an oxymoron. We...
  18. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    What do you mean by human nature? I take it to mean what all humans have. So no problem with any three people sharing the same human nature. Still have three unique distinct individuals though. Nothing about three of anything in one of anything because we all share human nature.
  19. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Twice I've quoted Peter telling is we can learn from the OT, so obviously I believe we can learn from the OT. What do you mean by "applicable?"
  20. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    Sure, there is a Father, his son, and holy spirit, which violates not one single grammatical rule, nor logic. But when it said, "there is a God the Father. There is a God the Son, There is a God the Holy Ghost. But these are not three Gods, but they are one God," we've entered a realm where...