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I wonder if anyone else sees the irony of this post. Barrd, If you remember correctly I terminated the discussion before you ever did because you said you can read the Bible for yourself and do not listen to the opinions of other people. Does that sound anything like holding the keys of...

Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, - Jude 1:24 If God is not sovereign over our decisions then He can't keep us from stumbling... I will trust His promises over your free will... I hope you see posts...

This fits your imagination but not reality. You accuse of pride, yet humility is the response of those chosen by God. Like Abraham and Noah we are spurred into action out of our love for Him. Yet let me rejoice in your accusations for only God knows the hearts. (Didn't you argue this point to...

Profound!

Here you are saying the Good Shephard is not responsible for His sheep, the sheep are responsible for themselves. That is ludicrous. What is uncalled for about Judas? He is the son of perdition, spoken of in the scriptures. If God raised up Pharoah, did He not raise up this one also? Those who...

Because this continually gets ignored... Those opposed to the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints please deal with this text. John 6 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. But as I told...

The problem is there are many actual scenarios I don't hold to. What makes me beholden to this straw-man she is building? I do not and have not held to double predestination. Predestination is the believer being conformed into Christ's image.

Stan, You changed the definition of predestination to suit your doctrine. I called you on it, and now you say it's a matter of if you understand the words. Do you want me to agree with your personal definition here?

In every choice we make we fulfill our greatest desire. All our choices fall in line with God's plan although He does not make our choices for us. What is the point? To love God and others. Why? Because this is why we are created. Motive is key here. If we love others to save our skin, to...

I have not been dishonest in anything. I have been completely cordial in this discussion. Once I point out the faults in your tactics you quit the discussion...

And from my comment of building a straw-man you decide to build another... You just don't quit do you?

What about the people who misunderstand what the Bible says? God gives some as teachers and preachers. The Bible is made up of several books... Doctrines are apportioned to our faith, the Bible supports and is the authority for the doctrines.

This is invalid... The Bible does not mention you either...

This man spoke his own words, God knew he would and it was a part of His plan.

One scripture does not contradict another scripture. This scripture does not answer my question. This is the same tactic you complain about just a few posts up... Answer the question. Does Jesus lose any the Father gives Him? BTW I don't want to hear about Judas...God does not save...

The Preservation of the Saints (PDF), by Vincent Cheung The point being preservation and perseverance are interchangeable. Without question the doctrine attributes God as the acting force in perseverance.

If I talk about them here I would not be avoiding them...hehehe

This is a straw man. You speak of the preprogramming...not me. You have the faulty understanding here...

It is not that I don't have an answer it is you have committed a red herring... Engage in the scripture at hand. Do not shift to another passage of scripture. The passage you are referring to is in response to the Jews grumbling about Jesus calling Himself the bread from heaven. Engage the...

Faith is the requirement as given in the gospel. Repentance is the action we take before we come to faith. Obedience is what we do while remaining faithful. This we do on our own (with the help of God) yet God knows before who will do these things. This is God's foreknowledge. Those who do...