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  1. Wormwood

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Yes, he covers the past, present and future sins of those who trust him. These do not say that he does this for those who do not trust him. I think Hebrews 6 tells us something different. “For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the...
  2. Wormwood

    Poll on OSAS

    justaname, Here are my thoughts on your final two inquiries of me... 3. God does not delight in the destruction of the wicked, yet His divine justice must be served. In His mercy He chooses to save some. Hmmmm, could you rephrase this? I dont see what you are asking. I think the notion...
  3. Wormwood

    Poll on OSAS

    justaname, Sorry for the slow reply. It has been a busy Christmas season :). Here are my thoughts about your questions.... First you did not comment concerning how you believe some love darkness while others do not. Is your teaching that some are inherently good by nature? I agree that...
  4. Wormwood

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Do you have a proof-text for this? This appears to be a theological assumption of yours that you are basing your views on. I simply do not think this is supported in Scripture. We do not lose our free-will or capacity to do wrong after becoming disciples. I would encourage you to read John...
  5. Wormwood

    What makes any given branch of Christianity an authority over my life?

    Tom, I think you are looking for a silver bullet here (or you have already made a conclusion and are using the discussion as a means of trying to prove a point). I just do not think the silver bullet exists. As I have mentioned before, both RCC and Protestant models have their faults. If...
  6. Wormwood

    What makes any given branch of Christianity an authority over my life?

    I suppose, but that could get a bit confusing. "There is a popular Roman Catholic catechism, based on a quote from the New Revised Version of the New Oxford Annotated Apocrypha in the introduction that says, ...." I am happy to provide sources for anything I quote, but I can assure you my...
  7. Wormwood

    Poll on OSAS

    Yes, I understand that is your view. Mine would be that God selects individuals for a purpose, but not for salvation. Certainly God does foreknow us and our actions and he does know who will persevere to the end. Yet, it is very different to say God has an elect based on foreknowledge and God...
  8. Wormwood

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Yeah, it is confusing to me also. I think there is a background and framework for many of these terms that many are unfamiliar with. So, they use the terms and they say one thing to us, but they are meant differently by those who use them. It gets confusing when the vocabulary becomes...
  9. Wormwood

    The Wrath of the Lord

    keras, I hope you are right. I would love it if Jesus' return was 14 years away (and even more if it was today!). However, I would be very cautious about how you present this material. There is a very good chance (like all the other date/year calculations) that 2029 will come and go and if...
  10. Wormwood

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    I never said, or implied that God would. The wife, in this analogy is us, not God. We can be faithless even through God remains faithful. God will never leave us or divorce us. But does that mean we cannot leave or divorce him? That is the question. In my opinion the answer in Scripture is...
  11. Wormwood

    What makes any given branch of Christianity an authority over my life?

    No, I quoted an introduction from the Oxford Apocrypha that quoted a catechism. The quote was in direct quotes in the copy of the Apocrypha I have by well known scholars so I can only assume their quote is trustworthy and does come directly from a popular Roman Catholic catechism. I hope that...
  12. Wormwood

    Poll on OSAS

    justaname, I apologize for my late comment. I have had some internet issues. I dont have time to read through all the conversation from your comment to me and what follows so I apologize if I repeat something that has already been addressed. I will try to read through the discussion later...
  13. Wormwood

    What makes any given branch of Christianity an authority over my life?

    I took this from a quote out of the beginning of my Oxford Annotated copy of the Apocrypha. In the introduction there are a few sections explaining the background of these books. On page iv there is a section that says, I think it is also important to note that none of the authors in the...
  14. Wormwood

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, Let us imagine you are married (I do not know if you are or not). Suppose your wife walks out on you and marries another man. Does that act reflect upon your faithfulness? Of course not. If you wife is faithless that does not mean you were faithless. I am not questioning God keeping...
  15. Wormwood

    The Wrath of the Lord

    First, I would question the "exact"-ness of the 4,000 years between Adam and Jesus. I dont think the geneologies are meant to be exact time-telling devices in the OT, and even if they were, I do not think they amount to an exact 4,000 years. Moreover, even if we grant that it was 4,000 years...
  16. Wormwood

    The Wrath of the Lord

    keras, I would be cautious about stretching metaphor in the Bible to make literal predictive statements (i.e. a day is like a 1,000 years). It seems evident to me that people like the Apostle Paul expected Jesus to come back at any moment. There is no indication that they felt like it would...
  17. Wormwood

    What makes someone a Christian?

    My response would be: "A Christian is a disciple of Jesus Christ." There is no such thing as a disciple of Jesus who is not saved. How does someone become a disciple? I think the Bible spells this out fairly clearly... 1. Hear the Gospel · 1 Thessalonians 2:15–16 ·...
  18. Wormwood

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    How many times do you have to "test" me? I do not know how I can be more clear on this issue. 1. I am not questioning God's grace. I am questioning whether human faith is a one-and-done thing as you suppose, or something that we are to hold to. 2. Faith is the opposite of "earning" or...
  19. Wormwood

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, I find it somewhat insulting that because we disagree bout OSAS that you continually question my salvation and my relationship with the Lord Jesus. Can't we have doctrinal disagreements without assuming the other person isn't a believer or disciple? I think this is the reason why...
  20. Wormwood

    Poll on OSAS

    Stan, perhaps I was not clear. I think justaname's comments reflect the idea I am opposing. It seems evident to me that the sense in which Jesus is using "the world" and "whosoever" in John 3:16 is universal. Of course, Jesus makes this love and invitation from God conditional with the phrase...