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ATP, God's love does endure forever. Those who reject monergism and OSAS do not believe God's love or promises fail. That is not the reason people are lost. They are lost because they are without faith, not because God's love is insufficient or temporal. Well, if we never took nourishment...

The first person to teach OSAS was Augustine, who also originated the "Calvinist" system in general. The system was based in the concept of total depravity which involved bondage of the will and resulted in a monergistic view of salvation. Later, there have been those who have rejected the...

These comments do not even justify a response. Lets get back to the OP, folks.

Barrd, I agree with you, as would every "scholar" I have ever met. I am certainly not suggesting that we cannot know God or His Word without some scholar to interpret everything for us. My point was that these "scholars" have made it so that the common fisherman can open a Bible and read it...

Yes, you essentially said that "scholars" who translate your modern Bibles are being used by Satan to bring division, and are the cause of many leaving the faith. And you essentially implied that almost all who attend seminaries are not "led by the Spirit of God." So, people you do not even...

FHII, Thanks, brother. Sorry if my last post came across a little prickly. I think the above critical comments made about scholars and students made me a little to defensive as a whole. I apologize. I agree with you that predestination is a biblical concept. However, I think we are...

They are not unfounded or empty. If you recall we have had 200+ post conversations on these issues. I really dont feel like hashing through it all again with you as there really seems to be no point. On the other hand, I simply made an observation as to your zeal over an issue that has such...

I'm not "going after" you or even addressing your "argument." I am simply making an observation about priorities. We have had enough discussion about these "arguments" so you know this has nothing to do with me lacking anything to say. I just think there are more important things for...

River, if you were as passionate about the Gospel, which is the power of God for salvation of all who believe, as you are about this message of common ancestry...well, I think a lot of people's eternity would be forever altered.

Coming to their conclusions? If someone is translating English into Spanish, it is a matter of linguistic accuracy, not personal whims. How do you know these scholars do not pray as they study and research? You can't be committed to the study of the Bible and be a spiritual person of prayer...

This first statement makes no sense to me. Yes, a true son of God can fall, but a true son of God will not fall. Again, if a true son of God will not fall, why warn them about falling? This seems like a word game to me and I dont think the Bible works that way. I just think when God warns...

Oh, so God cannot be at work in flawed things and flawed people? The Bible is filled with truth and the fact that you think our Bibles are flawed is evidence to me of your own confusion. You continually set yourself up above every authority and feel "your" understanding is God's understanding...

I dont think the two are mutually exclusive. Maybe the Holy Spirit also works through scholars that study biblical languages? Imagine that.

God communicates to us through human language. Human languages have words which have definitions. The Bible was not written in a vaccuum. It uses language, genre, figures of speech, parables, to communicate the heart of God. The better we understand language, the better we understand what...

Evolution gives a theory. It's like saying evolution gives us an explanation for the octopus and it's eight arms is descended from the crab. Anyone can look at a list of animals and then try to connect dots between animals that look similar or have like traits and say they are "related."...

I understand that, for the Calvinist, the sovereign decree is the reason and motivation behind the individual response. I guess my point is that if the response is the result of the decree, then what is the point of warning to not violate God's decree (continue in the faith) if such a violation...

Well, I do not want to derail the discussion on charismatic experiences to worship styles. Suffice it to say that my point is simply that your preference is to sing, "The Old Rugged Cross" or sit back and listen to a choir. Another person's preference may be to worship to a more contemporary...

FHII, Well, my concern is more in line with the concept of God's predetermination of salvation by his own sovereign decree before the creation of the world. If God's predestination is based on foreknowledge (which is what you seem to imply) then I would likely agree and see those warnings as...