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Not that I disagree, I don't. But all those who appear to be in willful sin, are not. This is something new, something unique to these times of the gentiles. On the contrary, the gospels were mostly preached by and for those on the cusp of change from those times when everyone looked forward...

OSAS is not a "justify disobedience" doctrine--not at all. It is rather, the recognition of all that Christ has done, which is faith in Him to finish the good work that He has begun, rather than lacking such faith and considering all the warnings of holding out unto the end were for them...when...

I specifically said "The entire word of God." You speak like one in the garden, misrepresenting what is said.

Delusion is a fact from Christ. But you have not accurately understood the purpose of it, that what men have meant for evil, God has meant for good. And it is very important (for you) that you understand that this is the greatest issue. I will address everything you mentioned below. But it is...

Are you so blind? The entire word of God since Adam is about forsaking God, and His salvation plans--which do not start over with conditions when one enters into Him and He in them. At that point, it is finished. But, hey, believe what you will--that is the very thing that shall be.

Why would anyone hear your counsel? Obviously you have not yet even understood the meaning of the word "saved", or who it belongs to and by who's power. Men cannot save themselves. Scripture: Salvation belongs to the Lord. Psalm 3:8 (Not to the person). You can do nothing. John 15:5

Yes, this is true, and yet God has placed us in an evil world where the whole armor of God is also good counsel. But I get your point--if we hope to reach the inner man...it is better to appeal to that man, rather than to that man we see face to face which is only passing away. Applause!

Your premise is completely off. As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one. Romans 3:10 Paul was only making the point that, whether natural or from God, the law does not save. The point of Ephesians 2:1-3...is rather that before being "made alive", all are dead, "by nature" a...

And the sword of accusation comes out once again, again for lack of understanding. Matthew 10:34

Good points worthy of discussion. The greatest confusion here by most, is applying human worldly logic to that little phrase "So you're saved"...without applying God's own terms to what it actually means. I mean, Paul was all things to all men that he might save some, and God gave His only...

Fair enough. It's just that it appears to be adding to the confusion. You see, "Saved" rightfully assumes saved, rather than, well, maybe. Saved is God's conclusion, not some point along the path of seeking Him--which speaks of God. Certainly, His yay is yay. Faith, on the other hand, is...

Which is a fine topic for another discussion...but has no bearing on OSAS.

And he was correct---I explained that. But that in a living breathing person, only means they do not have saving faith--meaning, they are not saved. It does not prove anything regarding salvation--except that such a person is in fact, not saved. Which is to say...it has nothing to do with...

But (again)...don't you see that means you are not even talking about eternal life? And if not eternal life--then not salvation? Come on...you gotta see that. I mean, what would you say if I said, "always" is not "forever?" You would be right to think I'm crazy. But here you are trying to...

That rationale is so full of holes I didn't get to the end. This is like the law: All can be summed up in just two: First, "faith" is an act, and "works" is a reaction. Action, reaction. They are not at all the same. You have completely missed James' point. What James said is true, just as the...

How would you know? In and of yourself--you can't. You have only stated that which you know. (Did you know that is biblical?) John 3:11

@Animal2692 Imagine we were all born into a really large room with no windows and only one door that was locked. What would those inside the large room resort to? Many would offer wisdom on life according to the large room. Some would examine the scientific make up of the room and its contents...

I am reprinting this from another thread because there it only addresses the one issue of salvation--which is huge. But the principle is all encompassing, so I wanted to address it head on instead of as an aside. Please start here by reading about the principle as it applies to salvation, then...

Context. Paul does not say he is free, but a prisoner--he was a priest of the old order not yet fully free in Christ. Does that make him unworthy to preach any less than John the Baptists or any of the apostles before receiving the Holy Spirit? Having received the Holy Spirit, does he even yet...

I am curious where you got the idea of "those who are of us?" There should not be so much confusion about this topic. Unfortunately for those who do not rightly divide the word of truth, most of what is written along the lines of possibly falling away after coming to the knowledge of Christ...