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What I'm saying is the context of the verse isn't about Jesus saving us eternally. It's about deliverance from hard times.. that's the context of 'he who endures to the end will be saved'.. it's deliverance from trials during end times. Not about receiving eternal life.

It's really common to use this verse 'he who endures to the end will be saved '.. but this is save as in deliverance from trials. Not eternal deliverance

He who believes on the Lord Jesus shall be saved. Now.. that does not mean.. if you stumble after believing on the Lord Jesus you are no longer saved. It's a done deal. John 3:16,3:36,5:24 Romans 5:8 Romans 10 After salvation.. there isn't a set of rules you MUST abide by. That's works...

Most believers in the NT joined a church. Saints.. were pretty much faithful church members. 1 Co 12 though.. Paul calls the church at Corinth the body of Christ. That's a local and visible assembly of saved, baptized believers. Also 'the ' in front of body of Christ' could be taken away...

Invisible and universal church.. is a Protestant idea.. that's right. It's calling the Family and Kingdom the same thing as the body of Christ. What I'm talking about with the visible church though.. is purely local churches.. Some believers aren't in it.

The whole global every believer entity.. that isn't the body of Christ. That's part of the Family of God. So an independent Christian is part of the Family.. not part of a body of Christ till they join a biblical church.

The beliefs of the NT churches can be found out thru Jesus ' teachings and Paul's admonishments and rebukes to the churches. That's realistic

That's got to be objective. Looking at faithful churches in the NT and seeing if their church believes as they do.

You know you are saved, because you have believed Jesus is God, He died and rose again.. and that by entrusting your salvation with Him you have eternal life. What does it say in the book of John? Joh_17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus...

Jesus and His disciples-- the first church. They gathered at Jerusalem. The likes of Peter became leader at the church at Jerusalem. The Jews that received the Word here were added to this church.

Gnostics don't believe Jesus is God. They elevate themselves with their own knowledge. Probably think they are their own God. I am not sure. How do you interpret the bible? By asking questions like who is talking to whom? What is the subject? What is the occasion? What is the time and...

Yeah.. the tongues speaking in Acts 2 was earthly languages. Not gibberish. What people heard was their own language being spoken to spread God's gospel. And yeah.. the Jews aren't all included in those converted. Some did get converted but not all

These churches mostly had greater care for their members also than what you see today. In Acts a church gets everyone putting their possessions in a pool and then giving to those in need. So no one was too poor. The Colossians and Phillipi churches were commended by Paul for their love and...

(Act 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Act 2:39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the...

Yes, I think we all do. Applying the process for discipline rarely happens. I have been through it myself though as the person being disciplined.

Well, if they are actually already saved.. then that would still stand.. that's the grace part. But.. they would get kicked out of their local church ..excommunicated if they would not listen and change. That's the last part of the Matthew 18 process. 'Let them be a publican'.. that's kicking...

Reading how God desires unity in a local church, forgiveness and reconciliation would be a great part of that. Members having care for each-other, together, interconnected.. a solid unit for Jesus. There does come a point though where the sin in another member becomes a real problem and they...

I'm saying the body of Christ is a local church. The feet.. the hands etc.. those are individual members of a local church. All in a real NT church would be saved and baptised. So all would be saved in that church who are members. That's how it's defined in 1 Corinthians 12. But all...

Yes.. I'm speaking of a body of saved baptised believers in each locality as the NT had them. These are still local though. And not every believer is part of them. So an unbaptised believer.. wouldn't be in a church body. But still redeemed and in the Family and Kingdom of God. That's...

Yes that's attaching eternal salvation to 'the church'. I believe they are separate. Eternal salvation is thru believing Jesus is God, that He died and rose again, lived sinless, and that by believing in Him, an individual has eternal life. Being a member of 'the church ' though.. has...