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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    One body in each locality. One body at Ephesus.. one body at Corinth.. one body at Phillipi etc Got a problem with multiple bodies? The Holy Spirit indwells every believer.. is that millions and millions of Holy Spirit's ? No. One Jesus.. with many NT assemblies He owns. Body as in...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    I can agree with all local churches being 'the church'. But that isn't all redeemed. There will be believers who haven't joined a church.. not in this. I don't agree with a 'Baptist bride' either.. there are many many churches that are biblically sound that aren't Baptist in name. They would...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    All that matters is how scriptures defines the New Testament church. The body of Christ is the church.. defined one way. So it's either local or universal but not both. And Paul defines it as local by calling the Corinthians the body of Christ.
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    The Kingdom of God and the body of Christ are not the same entity. Neither is the Family of God the same entity as the body of Christ.
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    Mathew 16:18.. Jesus building His church. Mathew 18:20 is of a visible local assembly.. therefore Mathew 16:18 would also be. Jesus isn't going to define His church one way and then contradict it. Paul persecuting 'the church of God' when he was a Pharisee. That is none other than the...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    Yeah, a universal invisible church of all redeemed isn't in scripture. The Family of God includes all redeemed.. and that is. 'The church ' has to assemble. It is a congregation. A church of all redeemed isn't assembled. It will in the end as the New Jerusalem. But we aren't there yet.
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    The New Jerusalem is a yet future situation. We aren't there yet. There is churches plural.. but not one church of all redeemed yet.
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    Project underway to create an updated King James Version (KJV)

    Thanks for the reply Enoch111 In 1 Corinthians 12, Paul describes the body of Christ. It's defined by togetherness.. care for each-other.. members feeling each-others problems... one part of the body can't say to another part I am not of you.. etc.. This is language of a tangible.. localised...
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    Project underway to create an updated King James Version (KJV)

    Well that is the good thing with the KJV.. is because the translation is very accurate.. the context around the word church.. makes it an assembly or congregation anyway. But it does matter with the word 'church' .. because doctrine of salvation is attached to it. So.. many believers have...
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    Project underway to create an updated King James Version (KJV)

    The kjv 1611 took liberties with how they translated 'ecclessia'. In the Bishops Bible before the KJV.. it was congregation or assembly every time. They didn't use the word 'church ', which had taken on several meanings not in scripture. The old KJV 1611 .. because it was King Jimmy's...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    Yeah in the end there is the Heavenly Jerusalem church of all redeemed. But we aren't there yet. It hasn't formed. All redeemed aren't assembled and so couldn't be called 'the church' It's not secular, fleshly thinking.. it's letting scripture speak for itself. Also the seven churches...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    Thanks for the reply. You are referring to Romans 8:9, but this doesn't talk about the church. The subject of this is the state of a believer in the Spirit. A primary verse many use is 1 Corinthians 12:13. With Greek or Jew being baptised into one body. Including Paul. The issue with...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    Yes, the term 'body of Christ' is in scripture. But scripture defines this as 'the church' 'The church' is the ecclessia.. a called out assembly .. from their homes.. to that assembly. Its defined one way. Its always local and visible. 1 Corinthians 12.. has a local and visible body of...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    I agree with eternal security.. and being given that at salvation. But where in the bible is a body of Christ of all redeemed? The body of Christ is the church. The church-- is defined as an ecclessia-- a local and visible congregation/assembly. Called out from their homes.. to an assembly...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    Okay, so you have joining 'the church' at salvation. John 3.. being receiving eternal life.. and that being joining the 'body of Christ' The problem with this.. is 'the church' is 'the body of Christ'.. so it is defined one way. 'The church'.. is an ecclessia.. which is a local and visible...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    The one body in Ephesians is also describing the unit of the local body.. rather than all redeemed. It's using the term like we would use 'the horse' 'The horse is a magnificent animal' That's singular standing for all horses. Not one in particular, but about the actual horse. So it is...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    That is the thing.. 'The church' is an assembly/congregation. All redeemed.. at this time don't meet as one assembly. Not yet...not until the New Jerusalem is set. So ... 'The church' now then.. is a local and visible assembly of saved, baptized believers. Covenanted together to carry out...
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    There is always a geographical location for an assembly of saved baptised believers. But they don't have to have a building. Open air churches are still churches.
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    The local church isn't a building. Its the local community of saved baptised believers.
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    Eternal salvation and 'the church'

    It's incredibly popular.. The teaching that all redeemed, every believer is 'the church' But where is that in scripture? Most of you all will have being converted .. and that meaning you join the body of Christ, 'the church'. Have you really done an honest study of this? I believe eternal...