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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Continuing from 1 Timothy 3:16, where it speaks of Jesus being "vindicated by the Spirit," we can turn to the interpretation found in Hebrews: Hebrews 2:10 – "For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer of their...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    All beautifully summed up: "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory." – 1 Timothy 3:16 Some understand the mystery, while others do...
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The clarity of that passage is irrefutable, and its meaning goes far deeper than I have expressed. The take-away again is that those who "know God and the Lord Jesus Christ" take part in the "us"
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Indeed, Genesis 3:15 promises Christ's coming: "I (God) will put enmity (hatred) between you (the Serpent) and the woman, and between your offspring (Cain, etc.) and her offspring (Christ's bride); He (Christ) shall bruise your (Serpent's) head, and you (Serpent) shall bruise His heel...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Brakelite Now go back one Psalm to 85: Surely his salvation is near those who fear him, that his glory may dwell in our land. Psalm 85:9 CMP Hebrews 5:7 "In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from...
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Brakelite I'm not sure how familiar you are with Messianic Psalms, but have you ever studied Psalm 86? But you, Lord, are a compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness. 16 Turn to me and have mercy on me; show your strength in behalf of your servant; save...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It's interesting to consider the idea of "God alone," and in one sense, you're right, but also not entirely right—though I know that may sound strange. But this is how God works, isn't it? He operates through an "agency," whether it's Christ, who, being sinless, is qualified to forgive sins, or...
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Wrangler @APAK There are a number of names given to Christ in John 1: "Son of Man" – (John 1:51) - 81 times in 4 Gospels "Son of God" – (John 1:34, 39) - 21 times in 4 Gospels "The Lamb of God" – (John 1:36) - 2 times in John "Rabbi" – (John 1:38, 39) 17 - times in 4 Gospels "The Messiah" –...
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    No correct. F2F
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It would need to have a 3n1 slant for it to be of any interest Pro. F2F
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It's frustrating to be on the other side of the planet and know there are people like Pro who just need quality time to sit and talk through "how to read and study the Bible". So many skills and techniques one learns if you watch those who have gone before us - I'm speaking of these! "Long...
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    "Don't give up, Rita! A single Bible truth can be received, and it's 'hidden' from many for good reason. As Jesus said, 'Seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear' (Matthew 13:13)
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Did you see what I highlighted Pro? Did you take the time to think about why I highlighted it, and what it was I was fousing on?
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Now go back and approach it without your trinity glasses. I wonder if you can do it?
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It carries with it its own blindness, not unlike the Pharisees, who were condemned for their traditions of men. And notice what the Lord does? Jesus quotes Isaiah: "You hypocrites!" "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:" "This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far...
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Wrangler @APAK You may already be familiar with what I’m about to show you, so please forgive me if I’m repeating things you already believe and know. I'm trying to show how important the record of Scripture is to those who approach it with the care it deserves. just as they were handed...
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I agree. Perhaps a good first step would be to focus less on others' findings and works, and more on your own efforts in the Word! I’m tired of seeing poorly formatted Greek and Hebrew posts, along with an overemphasis on grammar and syntax. Could we see more contextual analysis with deeper...
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    From this, you would agree that all those things in Hebrews were already held by the Son and were not actually an inheritance, correct? Rather than your usual throw away comments it would be good to hear some clarity on this. F2F
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Tonight, I am looking at Isaiah 6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.” Verse 6 8 Then I heard...
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    How do you like your eggs?