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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Mono and @RedFan When reading the Word of God, it's crucial to grasp the foundational context of the writer's thoughts and how they are guiding their readers. While Paul's thinking is rooted in the early Genesis account for most of Colossians, which I can demonstrate later if you like, here he...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I believe you find some of the arguments compelling, but conceding would come at too great a cost. F2F
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It seems like we've gone over this issue multiple times, but I sense you still haven't fully considered the wise counsel that’s been offered. You can keep posting John 1:1, but it will never say what you want it to say. The interpretation of Scripture requires careful examination in its...
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    Why did god put dinosaurs on earth and what was the point of that era of earth?

    Think of the earth as a glasshouse God left for a very long time to its own devices! (not thousands, not millions...but a much larger number!) and you would be closer to the truth than many. F2F
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    Why did god put dinosaurs on earth and what was the point of that era of earth?

    John Walton is wheres its at on this subject. His series on Job is a must listen! F2F
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Here is how it is. Yahweh is the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ Jesus Christ is the Son of Man and the Son of God (Mortal Man in whom God created His Spiritual Creation) The Holy Spirit is the outworking of Gods Logos & Power F2F
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Sorry, I use the NET & ESV Bibles mostly...sometimes I might quote from the KJV because I'm too lazy to change Bibles. F2F I'm not dogmatic on the type of cross, stake or pole. John is not a liar though - he represents the eagle face and see's well beyond you or I F2F
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You must be feeling a lot of pressure in this thread J. Don't envy seeing the foundation of your faith erode away by such compelling evidence. F2F
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    As I said I thought I would give you the opportunity to correct given Sonship is in view, and not Deity. Your inferences are without support. How you react is up to you J. F2F
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Did you mean to write that Johann? a typo? Should "set"be "sit?" The king says, “I will announce the Lord’s decree. He said to me: ‘You are my son! This very day I have become your father! Ps 2:7. I will become his father and he will become my son. (Davids descendants) When he sins, I will...
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Wrangler @APAK @Pierac Not much more can be said on this subject, I sense, other than defending the Trinity from the Bible is an excruciating task fraught with paradox. In contrast, the Unitarian case aligns theologically, logically, and historically with the Bible's Jewish origins. We can...
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Jesus was the promised Jewish Messiah, but he never claimed to be God or ‘God the Son,’ nor was such an accusation brought against him at his trial. This is significant, especially considering that the Jews had previously attempted to stone him for statements like "Before Abraham was, I am" and...
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I find it odd how you have convinced yourself John 1:1 holds your beloved Trinity. No mention of the HS - no inter-relational langauge at all! Simply the Word (Logos) which was with God in from the beginning became Flesh. In your mind you must have so many notions which you force into this...
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Is age catching up with you, or are you losing clarity?
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Sorry, David – this is your narrative, not the inspired Word. Yahweh is a Mighty God, capable of raising an obedient Son in sinful flesh and conquering it honestly and openly. Your god has no victory. F2F
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Another good question! God is yet to give it to him...be paitent RLT its coming! 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in...
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Blue text = truth Red text = Lies God cannot be tempted with evil end of story! Jesus could! F2F
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You are perciular treasure David! You must be good at pruning! But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it F2F
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Because David knew the promises of God and understood that a Lord (King) would ascend his throne. He understood that a man would come from his loins! You understand that right? David understood that the Messiah would be a descendant from his own line! From his flesh! Which is why the...
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    True that! gnight