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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I hope you would understand this mind is developed over a period of time. Milk --> Meat...we have an High Priest who can deal with the ignorant of mind. But ultimately you are correct! Our spiritual reasoning ought to be on the Spirit and our actions should follow. F2F
  2. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    @Davy - consider this symbol for a moment! No the sponge cake! But, this Manna, how did it form? In Whose mind was it devised? Was it the expression of Logos? Was this God's outward working of an inward thought? It was the literal "bread from heaven" (Exod. 16:4; John 6:30-31) which spoke to...
  3. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    @Davy Consider Logos then... When the dew settled on the camp at night, the manna also came down. Numbers 11:9 Manna is referred as "angel's food" and the "corn of heaven": Psalm 78:24-25: "And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat...
  4. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Jesus is the New Creation and everything which is needful for us to understand has been revealed to us. Failure to understand that Creation is failure to understand the Word which has been revealed to you. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It's interesting how some, like Brakelite, have become convinced that the Trinity has humanistic origins, yet even he hasn't fully explored this idea. Over the years, I've often wondered whether it's worth earnestly contending for the faith or simply leaving others to their own beliefs. If you...
  6. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Correct, a minority holds the accurate understanding of John 1:1. You don’t believe the Gospel is meant to be marketed and sold as merchandise across the earth, do you? If the Nicene Council got John 1:1 wrong..how wrong do you think it potentially could be? And how few would have it right...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    This is a good point Wrangler and reminds me of Pauls words "Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it" Romans 2:14 This idea may even take yours further! F2F
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Jesus didn't really die Jesus couldnt really be tempted to sin Jesus was incapable of sin Jesus wasn't a high priest taken from among men Jesus didn't allow God to remove the law of sin and death from his own body (curtain rent in his flesh) Jesus didn't pass through the Heavens into the Holiest...
  9. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Logos is synonymous with Wisdom. In Scripture, Logos represents the Gospel message, and is used in various contexts to convey thought, reason, and outward expression. Additionally, we learn that Wisdom was with God from the beginning and was revealed through His acts of creation (Prov. 8:22)...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Actually, it’s not the virgin birth itself, but the conception by the Holy Spirit that was essential. Two sinful parents could never produce a sinless man. God was Jesus' Father, and with this divine parentage came certain abilities that helped Him overcome the flesh and sin. And his delight...
  11. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit,[a] was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. 1 Tim 3:16 This is not the type of teaching a...
  12. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Luke was a Gentile and must have been financially independent, as he could not have traveled with Paul as a friend and valuable companion without some means of support. It is likely that Luke learned the truth from the apostle and, out of affection and gratitude, took on the responsibility of...
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Wrangler I intend to compile a list of statements from this thread that highlight the difficult position Trinitarians have placed themselves in and what I believe is an indefensible doctrine. I started a list with @Johann as I've asked him numerous times to show evidence and strangely he has...
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Did the physical creation pre-exist? All have come from Logos! F2F
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    “Suffer it to be so now” – Emphasis is on “now” as he is “found in fashion as a man” Phil 2:8 It's clear you don't understand the Lords nature and to be honest you may never. F2F
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The one asking the questions is leading the one providing the wrong answers into truth. You don't see that everyday! F2F
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It is also worth noting the absence of the terms "Devil" and "Satan," as it is clear that Paul understands the Genesis account and instead uses phrases like "old man," "flesh," "evil desires", and others to describe the human condition. F2F
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @MonoBiblical @RedFan The Unitarian case fits theologically, logically and historically with the Bible’s Jewish origins. The writers understood the readers would make these connections and thereby heed the warnings. Nowhere within Pauls letters does he introduce a new Godhead only the New...
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @RedFan @MonoBiblical Considering the context of Colossians, do you believe Paul shifted his focus to introduce Trinitarian doctrine, or did he stay true to his central theme? Jesus Christ is either the very substance of this New Creation, which was established at His death and resurrection...
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Lets consider your claim "Biblical" 1. You have failed to show any verse in the Bible which speaks to Jesus being Divine Nature while being tested in sins flesh. (asked at least five times!) 2. Your belief of Christ being incapable of sin removes you from the Atoning Principles which God has...