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  1. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    See what you've done there, Marks! Why do you overstep and go beyond the boundaries of God's Word? You have neither permission nor evidence to do so. If you're willing to cross that line, I have to wonder where else in your understanding you've gone astray. F2F
  2. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    We have been over this Taken...the soul merely referes to the whole of life. The body along with its last breath dies and returns to the grave as taught in Genesis. After that nothing! Being born again simply means having a mind enlightened to the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, expressed...
  3. face2face

    Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

    Correct, but man was made from the earth, as Paul taught. So, in what way was man created in the image and likeness of God? It wasn't in nature, so in what way, then? Do you believe Adam was made as a perfect reflection of God? I'm confident you'll come to understand how God raised Jesus to...
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    There isn't a verse in the Bible which contains the complex formula of the Trinity. The old chestnuts they bring out always leave out the Holy Spirit and of those they try and twist they will always need to deal with Sins flesh, what Christ became, firstborn, firstbegotten and so on. F2F
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    No the context asserts Lux - we should be dealing with your willingness to be ignorant of it - that is more concerning to me The Angels recognized that through sin, humanity had become like them, knowing good and evil. This makes sense only if you understand that angels, too, existed in some...
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @LuxMundi So here is another question. If God made us in the image and likeness of the Elohim, how does Genesis 5:3 illustrate this point? Getting the start of the story is essential if you want to understand the ending! F2F
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    So you've confirmed that the context is sin—well done, that wasn't too difficult. Up until now, Lux, you haven't presented any arguments. Context is king! In relation to Genesis 1:26, the plural noun Elohim is sometimes paired with a singular verb and at other times with a plural verb. This...
  8. face2face

    Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

    Your exegesis is flawed! Using the mirror analogy assumes the person in the mirror is a literal being with character and not just a mere reflection of me! The engraving is a better analogy - try that and come back to me Not a single Bible verse or reference—it's astounding how deceived...
  9. face2face

    OT scripture quoted many times in the New Testament (NT) - why?

    How can he, for he was part of the cultivated Olive Tree and its roots? "I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star!" (Revelation 22:16) God made all His promises in him, yes, from which he himself benefits. He died as the King of the Jews, and He will return to be...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I’m noticing a pattern in your responses, Lux, one that raises concerns and seems to border on dishonesty. If the assumption is correct then no apology is required as the information provided is true and correct and aims to edify your understanding of God's Word. Maybe the irony in this is a...
  11. face2face

    Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

    No, what you've provided is what others (men) have taught you. F2F
  12. face2face

    Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

    @ScottA Lets assume for the moment the Apostles belived Jesus is God.... Romans 1:4 would make no sense whatsoever! Thus he became so far better than the angels as he has inherited a name superior to theirs. Heb 1:4. The Son is better than the angels :IDK: , holding a higher rank :IDK...
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You’ve attempted to argue that Genesis 3:22 has nothing to do with sin, yet you have not clarified what you believe it actually means :IDK: Correct after you made the assertion Genesis 1:26 refers to the Trinity. So far, you have rejected the truth presented without offering any alternative...
  14. face2face

    Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

    Your use of the analogy is far from accurate, as it seems to be based on Hebrews 1, which provides a different understanding. Brightness (Gk. apaugasma) (1:3) Strong’s #541; Express Image (Gk. charaktēr) (1:3) Strong’s #5481: These two terms appear only here in the New Testament!!! The Greek...
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Genesis 1:26: "Then God said, 'Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness, so they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move on the earth.'" (Gen 1:26) Genesis 3:22: "Now that the man has...
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Correct, and it is - the affect of sin on the first pair Sin - - > Knowledge of Good and Evil - - > Drove from the Garden Correct, sins are an offense, which is why their expulsion from the Garden was due to sin. All the references in Genesis 1-3 pertain either to God Himself (Yahweh) or the...
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @LuxMundi Having sinned and undergone this change in mind, the angels needed to act swiftly, as there was a risk that A&E might take from the tree of life and gain eternal life without having developed the necessary spiritual virtues in his character to make it truly desirable. The phrase...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The harm caused by reading the Word of God out of context is deeply damaging to developing a correct understanding of Scripture. If sin is not the context, then why did the angels drive them out of the garden? In verse 21, the angels covered their sin with coats made from a slain animal...
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    So are you arguing against the context that sin introduced this knowledge? Sounds painful... Happy to read your thoughts. The red text shows that you are open to considering the issue, which is reassuring. F2F
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @LuxMundi Let's apply your interpretation though "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil." Could the man become like one of the Trinity? No need to answer! ...but he could become like one of the angels, as it is clear that the angels attained their exalted status...