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  1. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Perhaps you could clarify. BTW
  2. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    My disagreement with your statement above is the fact that most Jews are still scattered all throughout the world right now. About 50% of the Jews in Jerusalem right now are Russian Jews. There are still many Jews in places like Iran right this very moment, and innumerable other nations...
  3. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Please don't misuderstand my response to your post. I wasn't laughing at God's word. It was your use and interpretation of His word that was humorous. BTW
  4. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Thanks for the bibliography. Many people in these forums, when copying and pasting from other sources, don't provide their sourcing. BTW
  5. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Yes. I was simply upholding the fact that words mean things, contrary to this modern, Western culture of word salads that project subjective meaning. Modern Israel is not a nation whose battles are fought by God with attacks occurring daily with the death of so many Jews. When Christ comes at...
  6. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    The problem with your presentation is that you're failing to differentiate between the establishment of the New Covenant at the Second Coming of Christ and the moment of the passing of the cup. Christ IS the mediator of the New Covenant, but that Covenant is not yet active. Your transplanting...
  7. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Well, I can see that we're simply not going to agree, even though I quoted to you the English definition of fulfillment, which is "completion." As to the rapture and the events surrounding that, the only one of which we know that will trigger that event is the "fullness of the Gentiles be come...
  8. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Ok, so dare we read that, word for word, we see that it does not say that they possessed ALL the land that was given to them. I showed to you other contexts that clarified that that they did not force out all the nations they were commanded to drive out. So, again, please show where it's stated...
  9. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    It's interesting that Peter referred to modern Jerusalem (in his day) as "Babylon" when saluting Jews in outlying areas in one of his epistles. It's also interesting that the Lord, when He comes in His Second Coming, the mountain will split in half, which intimates a total change in the...
  10. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Please show the narrative that demonstrates the total fulfillment of that in the OT texts. Thanks BTW
  11. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Sorry, but I don't see where you're coming from. Are you assuming that your rules for the application of allegorical interpretation comes from God? Please prove that. Thanks BTW
  12. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Interesting, and with the correct conclusion. Thanks BTW
  13. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    According to Webter's 1828 Dictionary: Fulfillment: 1. Accomplishment; completion; as the fulfillment of prophecy. This is the basis for my statement that "preparatory" elements prior to the actual fulfillment are not themselves the actual fulfillment. I'm somewhat confused as to why that's...
  14. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    There's the problem with what you're saying. His Blood wasn't a covenant. It was a testament. Covenant and testament are not synonymous. Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. BTW
  15. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    That's one way to misrepresent what I said. Whatever... BTW
  16. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    When I see this level of allegory applied to scripture, allegory which is based so deeply upon no objective standards and rules for interpretation, I'm willing to leave it where it lies in the dusts of human inventions and subjectivity. BTW
  17. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Judges 2:20-23 20 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice; 21 I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua...
  18. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    The KJV has it accurately enough to be clear without the muddying of the waters with debates over Hebrew idioms that don't fall within the contextual constraints. Just my take on it. BTW
  19. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    Which we are still in today given that the Law is still in force today, the difference for us in the body of Christ being that we are dead to the Law, and therefore not under it and the curse it upholds over all unbelievers. BTW
  20. BeforeThereWas

    1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

    That 1948 was not THE fulfillment of any prophecy, any more than having a chassis and wheels mounted toward a functioning car, but without the engine, is not a fulfillment of the total car with a body. Preparatory stages are not THE fulfillment that is yet to come. That's my point. I keep...