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Ok, thanks for the clarification.

I need some clarifiction on your statement. It seems confusing to me. Are you saying atonement is either universal or limited, or are you describing who it is applicable to. For me, the atonement was universal, but also completed. Man does not participate in the atonement. He participates...

There is no text in all of scripture that says God chooses who will believe. The Holy Spirit works upon all men. One of the works of the Holy Spirit is to call all men to repentance. II Pet 3:9, Rom 2:4ff, Mark 2:217. This would be moot if it was God who chose who would believe. Every single...

God does not decide who to forgive., He forgives all those in faith who come to Him and seek forgiveness of their sin.

You are advocating the Satisfaction Theory of Atonement. A theory that was first promulgated by a Roman Catholic Anselm in the 12 century. I, nor the Orthodox accept that theory, obviously, It has several serious theological problems.

All over the Bible. You are confusing the atonement with the application or purpose of the atonement. Christ performed the atonement, not man. Man has nothing to do with the atonement. Whether one man only believed, or every single person believed does not limit the work of Christ in His...

Correction accepted, He is regarded as the founder of most of their theology after the fall of Rome and especially after the split that has yet to be resolved.

Scripture says it is true. The authority lies in the Body over which Christ rules and the Holy Spirit guides and protects. We don't have a Pope for that reason. The Councils are not the last word either. It is the membership of the Body which is led by the Holy Spirit, just as it was in...

Which is why the Church, the Body of Christ, who is the Head and is guided by the Holy Spirit. The teachings of the Apostles have been guarded now for 2000 years. That is also what scripture says. He was good before he sinned, he was neither mortal nor immortal. He could attain either one...

All Churches prior to the Reformation believe that Adam was created good. He surely was not evil as you state, nor was he created mortal. He became mortal as a consequence of the condemnation given in Gen 3:19. Only in several forms of Protestants do some denominations believe Adam was...

One knock out blow after another. Who believes this stuff besides you? As I stated, it has never been understood by the Church from the beginning. He sure does. Adam sinned and the judgement upon him was physical death. But you don't believe that. It was that death that caused God's...

So, how is it significant in your view? You don't need to align with Pelagianism, your theology is the same as his. Only Adam was good before he sinned. It has never been misunderstood. There has never been a false teaching arising within the Church over Gen 3:19. It not only disqualified...

Wow! OK, that says a lot. I can now understand why you do not understand scripture regarding who Christ is. My question to you is who is Christ to you. Is the Incarnation significant in your view, if so, just how? I accept that. In your case the Bible teaches what you want to Bible to...

Without the Incarnation there is no atonement. You are working from a mindset of ONLY looking at the purpose of the atonement, and not at the atonement itself. The Bible is quite clear that man through Christ's Incarnation saved the world from death. That was His primary work of atonement...

It does not mean that all without exception will believe, but it infers that any human being can believe if they so choose. The phrase in Eph does not mean that God chose anyone before the foundations of the world. It means those that believe become chosen IN HIM. It does not say He chose...

I don't need to prove or show anything more than I have already. It has been so understood, believed by all Christians since the beginning. No one has changed the doctrine of the Incarnation and the texts of scripture that has supported it. Not what scripture states. Rom 5:12 is quite clear...

None of the above even addresses the atonement of Christ. Respective of the Incarnation it is every single individual and it entails the created universe as well. We are not speaking of spiritual death here. We did not inherit sin from Adam. We inherited a fallen or mortal nature which...

Which has nothing to do with atonement. The atonement was for the purpose for Christ to have union, to have a relationship with man in this life and for eternity. Why would you reject the texts I cited which uses words that show universality. Lets start with the fall of man which required...

Both words can be used and be perfectly biblical. However, the way I am assuming you are meaning it the answer is no. The Church condemned Universalism in the 4th century. I explained what it means somewhere in this thread. But Scripture does teach very clearly the redemption...

Christ's reconciled the world to God by His death and resurrection. That has nothing to do specifically with believers. It had to do with the sin of the world. I John 2:2. His sacrifice atoned for the sin of the world. It makes it possible that Christ, now as High Priest can forgive sin...