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  1. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    A. Not in context : the entire Book is an excoriation of the Jewish "false brothers" ("...especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped..." Ti 1:10) who are telling the Gentile believers that they don't really belong to God, or "God's people", or "Israel", unless they...
  2. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    OOPS! Romans 9:3For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, 4who are Israelites... If his kinsmen are Israelites, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE PAUL? AN ISRAELITE! Romans 11:1I say then, God has not rejected His...
  3. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You really are struggling. Are you a Black Hebrew Israelite?
  4. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    LOL He is going to move them to jealousy by choosing... THEM? That, again, is like saying Israel moved God to jealousy by choosing... HIM! It's nonsense : Israel moved God to jealousy by choosing another god, and, so, likewise, God moves Israel ("my fellow countrymen") to jealousy by choosing...
  5. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yes, it does--esp together with the logic of v13, where God chooses a people OTHER THAN the people who made Him jealous by choosing another god in order to drive them to jealous, and, so, Paul, wanting to fulfill the prophecy, wants to drive HIS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN to jealousy by magnifying his...
  6. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    I've been showing it, but you aren't paying attention : when Paul describes a natural branch being grafted back into its own olive tree, he doesn't use the language "contrary to nature", thus, these Gentiles, who are cut from "wild olive trees", and who are grafted in to the "cultivated olive...
  7. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    This is the first thing you have said (that I have read) that has not been nonsense. No, He isn't; Paul is saying there is an understanding among Jews that "all Israel will be saved", and God is not breaking His Word, but that "not all Israel is that 'Israel' of whom 'all' 'will be saved'"...
  8. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Google : People are called "trolls" online because they engage in "trolling" behavior, which involves intentionally antagonizing others with inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments. It is hard to believe you're not being a troll because discussion with you is so terrible, of such a low...
  9. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You complained, to Lizbeth, that "God showed Abraham a land not an allegory" just because she said the land was an allegory for something else (of course, I think she meant it was a type)--what I responded was that, based on the precedent in Galatians 4, it is NOT a denial of the physical...
  10. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    LOL! The remnant of Israel is not the body of Christ? Is Paul the remnant of Israel? Yes? Well, what is he doing being "crucified with Christ"? He is sharing in the death and resurrection of Christ because he is part of the body of Christ. Why is he doing that if "the remnant of Israel is not...
  11. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    It really shows disrespect when you thoughtlessly shoot off empty answers rather than tracing the conversation back and understanding what you are responding to. It also demonstrates your folly. Proverbs 18:13If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame.
  12. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The Gentiles of Romans 11 aren't "remnant of Israel Gentiles", because, if that were the case, Paul, who seeks to be part of fulfilling Deuteronomy 32:21 (Ro 11:13), would not be able to drive his fellow countrymen (other Israelites) to jealousy : the Israelites drove God to jealousy by choosing...
  13. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Right--in contrast to your assertion that these Gentiles were "remnant of Israel Gentiles".
  14. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    What a joke! I've endlessly cited the Word, and I'm 100% certain of the correctness of my view--you are the one who is deciding to reject what is plain.
  15. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Oh OK I misunderstood.
  16. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You can mock the teaching that those who are in Adam are doomed all you want--call it "an oops", or what ever--but what you can't do is actually address the text, because you know it disagrees with you, and you prefer your own ideas over God's, and God's Word makes you mad, because it isn't your...
  17. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    If I can achieve the making of the same empty assertion as you, does it mean I'm right? Let's see : "The reason you don't see thing the way I see them is because you're immature." Did it work? Am I right? LOL
  18. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    LOL! You REALLY need to reread Romans. 1. Anyone who is not "in Christ" is "in Adam", thus condemned to the curse of death which Christ defeated--the Jews aren't going to have a New Heart, but still be cursed sinners in Adam. 2. You want to act as though the two are mutually exclusive, but there...
  19. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    1a. The Scripture doesn't say Eve was fashioned from Adam's "rib", but came from his "side". 1b. Yeah, when it says we're "in Christ", that is true : the body of Christ, Christ's body and bride, is Christ's body, thus we're in Him by being in His body, His bride. 2. LOL "No, 1 + 1 does not...
  20. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You must write off the top of your head every time you write, because you are wrong about everything you assert. Why would you do that? Just uncarefully say things? Say things with uncertainty?