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  1. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I don't think the "forever" was ever under discussion. We were discussing what it is that is forever - death for eternity, or torture for eternity. What does "wadr" mean? :confused: Where in the Bible does it say that the devil/Satan is not alive? It says (in Revelation 20) that he will be...
  2. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I second that.
  3. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Who was that in response to? It's not a very helpful comment! If you think that you know what that verse means then why don't you share that knowledge with us? Saying that 'I know what you don't know, but I'm not going to help you find out what that is', is not a loving Christian attitude...
  4. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    No! You were not paying attention! I said, "I'll include an article about this parable that I downloaded from the Internet about 22 years ago (but it doesn't appear to be available anymore)". If I had written it then I would not have needed to download it from the Internet, and the comment...
  5. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    It is not a smokescreen, it is a serious study with many Bible references to support it's statements and arguments. It sounds as though you couldn't be bothered to read it. If you think it is not a parable simply because it is referring to literal Biblical people, then where else in the Bible...
  6. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    [Continuing Rich Man and Lazarus article.] The Chasm Then Abraham informs the Rich Man that there is a great chasm (canyon, gulf) between the Rich Man and himself. This chasm represents the difference between faith in Jesus and the seeking of righteousness through the Law. The Rich Man...
  7. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    [Continuing Rich Man and Lazarus article.] The message and blessings and opportunities could not go to the Gentiles until first they had been offered to the Jewish table (occupied by the Rich Man) and had been rejected by all except a remnant the Jewish Lazarus class who would seek...
  8. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    John 3:16 is part of a private conversation with one man, Nicodemus, who came to see Jesus at night so that nobody would notice (John 3:2). Nicodemus was a member of the Sanhedrin, so his coming by night is to avoid the hostility of his colleagues: the Sanhedrin was opposed to Jesus. So Jesus...
  9. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Matthew 13:34-35 (WEB): (34) Jesus spoke all these things in parables to the multitudes; and without a parable, he didn’t speak to them, (35) that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophet, saying, “I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden from the...
  10. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Just because these weird beings have a king that doesn't mean that that king must be Jesus and they must be resurrected Christians! Jesus is King of kings, so there are other kings! When Paul said we shall be changed, I'm sure he didn't mean that we will be changed into beings like these...
  11. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I didn't say that. I am not in isolation. I have been attending the same local church for 28 years. I am a trustee and the treasurer of that church. I was just honestly answering your question - my doctrinal beliefs may differ a little from the others in church I attend. I learnt a lot from...
  12. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    Colossians 4:6 (ISV): (6) Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer everyone.
  13. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Just to reiterate, you appear to be saying that there are two classes of Christians. The first class consists of 144,000 people who will become spirit beings and live in heaven, and the second class will be a very large number of people who will be resurrected as humans and will live on the...
  14. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    The "world" is all non-Christian humans that ever lived, from the days of Adam onwards, who are resurrected to human life again and live during the Millennial Age (1,000 year reign of Jesus and the Church). The first verse I quoted, in full says, 1 Corinthians 6:2 (WEB): (2) Don’t you know...
  15. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    1 Corinthians 6:2-3 (WEB): (2) Don’t you know that the saints will judge the world? ... (3) Don’t you know that we will judge angels? ... Paul was addressing this to all Christians, the whole Church: 1 Corinthians 1:2 (ESV): (2) To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in...
  16. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I think I'll decline from answering those questions. It's digressing from the original topic of this thread, and I don't have enough enthusiam and time to go over all those topics right now. Another day maybe. I need some rest now. :Zzzzz:
  17. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    Insults and name calling will not encourage me to continue the discussion. 1 Corinthians 13:4 (WEB): (4) Love is patient and is kind; love doesn’t envy. Love doesn’t brag, is not proud, No, I've never said that. This is another example of why it's impossible to continue the discussion with...
  18. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    Of course I did. But you still haven't answered. Why not? Why is it silly to post something that you agree with? And you didn't ask me to repost because you thought I would disagree with you, you asked me to repost because you claimed to have missed it. You said, "post it again! Things are...
  19. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    The conversation was: I said: It says they are all men - there are no women among the 144,000 (Revelation 14:4)! They are the firstfruits from among men, i.e. having been sealed (Revelation 7:3) before the Great Tribulation and the start of the Millenial Age, they are the first to have gained...