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  1. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Can you provide Bible references for that? They are nominal Christians, imitating or counterfeiting the true Christians, to try and choke the wheat (true Christians) if possible. The tare seed is false teaching, human philosophies and doctrines of devils. Here's a quote from someone you may...
  2. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Yes, but the first resurrection is the resurrection of the Church - all Christians, all having the same calling and a spiritual body resurrection. The second resurrection is for those that will live through the Millennial Age as humans, and will be ruled over by Jesus and the resurrected...
  3. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    On the earth - in Jerusalem! The previous chapter was talking about events happening on the earth, as is chapter 14. John writes, Revelation 14:1-2 (WEB): (1) I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him a number, one hundred forty-four thousand, having his name, and the...
  4. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I'm not aware of there being two different callings to Christians from God. Do you have Bible references to back that up? (Not verses that are addressed to all Christians.) All Christians are saints (holy ones). We are all to become holy: Romans 6:22 (KJV): (22) But now being made free...
  5. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    [Continuing...] Again, Paul said "all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death" (WEB). Christ's death was a sacrifical death. Christian's, once baptised, have the merit of Jesus' sacrifice applied to them, so that their sins are forgiven and they are reckoned to...
  6. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Yes, this discussion has become a bit like the universe - it's forever expanding!;) I'm even going to have to split this response! Paul's letter is addressed to all the saints in Ephesus, not just to a select sub-section of saints. He wrote, Ephesians 2:4-8 (WEB): (4) But God, being rich in...
  7. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I haven't got a clue what you are trying to say. Please can you translate that into English.
  8. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    So you're not going to answer then? :no reply: As I mentioned, it was only a few posts ago in post #693 that I gave my short answer. While you were reading post #698, which you've just replied to, are you really saying that you couldn't be bothered to click on the scroll bar 2 or 3 times to...
  9. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    That should be 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 :oops:. Yes, those suffering at the same time as Paul and the other saints. They were all suffering back then; it wasn't a reference to them, or any other saints/Christians, suffering during the Great Tribulation! I believe the Scriptures teach that the...
  10. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    These verses sounds like God was planning things before the creation of the world - Ephesians 1:4 (WEB): (4) even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without defect before him in love; 2 Timothy 1:9-10 (KJV): (9) Who hath saved us, and called...
  11. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I don't require God to do anything! I don't see anything wrong with trying to understand, logically, what the Scriptures tell us. A better understanding makes it easier to believe and can only increase our faith. We're encouraged to study the Scriptures, not to just believe them without any...
  12. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Simple! Not everyone is called to be a Christian, and not all that are called are chosen. There will be billions of people who are not Christians who will be resurrected as humans and will live on the earth. It is not for us to know now how many God has chosen to have a share in Jesus'...
  13. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Who would we be God's representatives to? The animals don't have enough understanding to consider who God is. The angels already know who God is and have direct access to Him. Probably because it was God's purpose from before the world existed to call many humans with a promise of sharing in...
  14. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I do not doubt God's ability to fulfill His promise! Just because I'm trying to understand the reality of what we are doesn't mean that I don't believe God! No, the Scriptures say that we have an earthly (physical) body and that Christians after their resurrection will have a spiritual body...
  15. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    I gave you an answer in post #693. So do you think my answer in post #693 was right or wrong? Did I have a clue or not, in your opinion? I have not been crying. I posted some "biblical meat" in post #664 which was in response to your post #660. You have not commented on that; so do you...
  16. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Not quite. I described us as being something other than physical, perhaps some kind of spirit being, that is abiding in a physical body. Whereas you believe we are 100% physical and nothing else, possibly based on Genesis 3:19 ("For you are dust, and to dust you shall return"). But thinking...
  17. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    No. We are only forgiven because of, and through, the shed blood of Jesus. Ephesians 1:7 (WEB): (7) in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace 1 John 1:7 (WEB): (7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the...
  18. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I believe that who we are is not just physical flesh and bones. We are our personality, character, memories, reasoning powers, etc.. That is not a physical thing. People who suffer from dementia can loose all their memories, intelligence, etc.. I saw it happen to my father, whose mind seemed...
  19. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Perhaps because of Hebrews 9:27-28 (WEB): (27) Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment, (28) so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, without sin, to those who are eagerly waiting for him for salvation.
  20. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    I'll teach you something. "Your like a breast feeding man" is bad English. It should be "You are" or "you're", not your. You should get the simple things correct if you expect and want people to believe the more complex things you might try to teach. If you sound like an idiot then others...