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    Only Believers are Resurrected?

    People are not raised because they are 'capable'. After the 1000 years the dead are all raised and judged. 'the rest of the dead lived not again till the 1000 years were finished'. They are raised to face the judgment, and that is the second death for the unsaved dead. So the only question is...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Looking at a few aspects of that battle, the end of the 1000 yrs is not a good fit. It talks of every man's sword being against one another. The swords were beaten into farm instruments long long before the end of the millennium. There is no mention of some great battle at the end of that time...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Right, innumerable angels. All can get around, and wings are on at least some of them in any reasoned look at it. I won't argue with that. I have long thought that the nature in the days before (and shortly after) the flood was different. I think it will again be different in the end here. Now...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    You think you know what mount Sion is? You think Jesus is on earth during the last half of the Tribulation?
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Well it looks like more than one angel
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Then I guess you think that Jesus is here on earth before the armies even gather to think about going to Armageddon! Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Another option is that the area of the battle was placed in some sort of time warp where they existed in the future or something for the day. There is no need of the sun you know in the new earth. It may be here still, but for all we know, at that time the sun may orbit the earth!? Ha In any...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    I see, so what's this about? Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Absolutely. Now even if there was no horse, I have no doubt Jesus could fly also, in this case, He rides a horse. It would also not surprise me if the horse could only fly because Jesus (or saints or angels) was ON it!? Ha.
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    That's what I like to hear..we don't know!
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    If you want to declare that wings could not be used in angels flying or travelling, well, guess all you like. Who knows? If you want to declare the angelic beings (every time the word cherubim is used in the bible, not one verse) as something else, well, sorry, who really cares?
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Angels fly. Angels also walked on earth. Angels appeared as men also. This leads me to suspect that wings on angels are something that are not always needed, yet when they are needed they appear? The dictionary I cited does say that cherubim are angelic beings. Why would we let you override that?
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    So He is on earth in all the trumpets?
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    You think the angels preaching in Revelation are actually orbiting?
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The angels over the ark of the covenant had wings. Now maybe you would rather call those beings something else. The angels in Revelation fly also. Maybe you think they hopped a plane? What is the issue with wings? Have you something against them?
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    " Brown-Driver-Briggs' 1) cherub, cherubim (plural) 1a) an angelic being 1a1) as guardians of Eden 1a2) as flanking God’s throne 1a3) as an image form hovering over the Ark of the Covenant" Interlinear Search for 'Exodus 25:20' - NAS with the BHS and NA26 - StudyLight.org
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Well they do fly. Also, most people consider cherubims angels. Exodus 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. Try not to...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    So you think He pops down to fight a battle then disappears for some years again afterwards. That sounds funny. I do not remember the bible saying Jesus was pulled up with ropes? Or beamed up by a chariot. No one says we need to flap our arms like a bird to fly. Angels do have wings, but they...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Can't He fly?
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    That's an easy one. God tells those believers at the time to flee. Most will probably still not be believers at that time!
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