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  1. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    The verse was about when He is revealed, so that is not just to the church, since the Rapture is before that.
  2. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    There are also multitudes saved in that time. Not just the Jews from the 12 tribes. As for placing the church in heaven, if we call the Bride the church, that is correct. There are also plenty of saved people back on earth in that time. So if you want to call them 'Adam's flesh', well there are...
  3. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    True. But for the world, He is not revealed till he comes back. That is what the verse refers to. When He returns to earth it does not matter what choices people made, He is seen by them. Every eye shall see Him. Since we are not appointed to wrath, and the bible says we will be raised alive...
  4. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Those who believe in Jesus after the Jews rejected Him are not an 'earthly kingdom'. The thing is that they are not Israel either. Israel will be here in the tribulation. Now if you want to use the word assembly, or called out ones, or church to describe the believers in the Tribulation period...
  5. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Your false accusations aside, try to focus. Watch I will bold the word that shows the context. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 1 John 3:2...
  6. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    To settle this decisively and once and for all we go to what Jesus Himself said. So what was His body like? Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have For the win/ Let him that reads understand...
  7. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Actually, it referred to nothing of the sort. The 'when' puts it somewhere else. Be honest
  8. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Actually that was quoted from the verse you gave, 'when'. That is God speaking.
  9. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    OK. Others think the church is the people that believe in Jesus since Israel rejected Him.
  10. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    OK, so by the church you also mean all believers of all ages. Not just 1992 years.
  11. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    What the bible does not say is that a magic muntermobile teleported a big chunk of dirt to heaven. Really. "Strong's From H6923; the front, of palce (absolutely the fore part, relatively the East) or time (antiquity); often used adverbially (before, anciently, eastward): - aforetime, ancient...
  12. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    WHEN He is revealed. Not now.
  13. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    The bible said multiply and so all people alive would be his family. Then God drove them out of the garden. I don't think He used the Munstermobile to do it either. Let's get this straight then. You say the magically transported garden was taken to heaven where it is now, and only for the...
  14. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    They hardly knew how to tie their sandals. Who says they knew all about paradise? They did know Jesus and He told them a lot. But nowhere did He say that he transported a huge swath of dirt and plants into heaven. So if you claim He did offer you speculation as pure opinion, backed by nothing.
  15. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Prepared for take off?
  16. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    When the bible talks of evil servant sinning because they feel He won't be coming for a long time, that has zero to do with us awaiting our redemption, and His return. Even so come, Lord Jesus. He ain't here yet and He is not ruling the kingdoms of this world now with us. He has not destroyed...
  17. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    So if we say we can see Jesus now on earth, in your mind that is being 'in the spirit'.
  18. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    So you now play word games because you stated or claimed something rather than merely 'think' it. Hilarious. He did not return slowly, at medium speed, or quickly yet!
  19. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    That was to illustrate a physical object like the garden of Eden was, being moved off the planet. God did no such thing as far as the bible says. Yes. Jesus is the way. We know that. We go to live forever with Him. Nothing to do with flying gardens leaving earth! Yes. He PLANTED it. Not shot...