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  1. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Nothing in there says the garden pulled a vanishing act from earth.
  2. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Funny, He told John to 'come UP hither'. He went UP at the ascension. He promises to return back down. We are told, as the OP pointed out, to look UP because our Rapture draws near. (redemption) He does seem to know down from up.
  3. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Ah, thank you for showing us your error clearly. You think He already came back quickly. Right? Apparently you think you see Him also now, and that those who do not see Him with their eyes are basically unbelievers. Correct? So now you cite a verse that is totally unrelated to Jesus being...
  4. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    You seem to be saying that because there is also the tree of Life in New Jerusalem, therefore that has to be the garden of Eden somehow moved there? New Jerusalem in not on earth. So if you are saying the garden went there, or to heaven, or (insert wherever else you care to make up) I guess it...
  5. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Are you suggesting you visit Jesus, hug Him and see Him now? Don't beat around the bush.
  6. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    You know this...how?
  7. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Sorry I missed seeing that. Was He hiding in the dessert? We see Him work. We know Him. Our eyes do not yet see Him. Not sure how you got such crossed wires.
  8. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    So when we are caught up into the air, you think that Jesus is still in heaven rather than here but only seen by believers? Yes we desire our eternal bodies and being with Him. So when those who died in the last say, 2000 years have their bodies raised up, their earthly tabernacle was dissolved...
  9. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    So the dead bodies of believers are raised. That means that the spirits of the people who were dead already were with Him in heaven. Yet their bodies are raised. Raised to incorruptible eternal bodies. Same thing with the believers who are in their bodies but still alive.The difference being...
  10. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    The bible says New Jerusalem is coming down to earth. The bible does not say the garden of Eden was scooped up to space.
  11. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Since you have no idea whatsoever, and since Jesus flat out stated that He had flesh and bone, we know that is what He had. Our new complete body is also spiritual and can do all sorts of things that are impossible in this temporary flesh body today. Stop trying to say Jesus is a liar and that...
  12. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Jesus had a flesh and bone and spirit body. We will too. Hence the Rapture and raising the dead. In the Rapture it is a matter of having our old body raised to a new eternal one. One just Like Jesus has.
  13. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Nothing confusing about not knowing or needing to know.
  14. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    The commentary spelled it out, it is speculation as to why or how etc. In the case of Jesus it is gospel! Clearly stated truth. He was not a spirit only. False accusations once again. That seems to be your native tongue. Point? Man, not the garden was removed.
  15. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    I never suggested any such foolishness. I said we go to be where He is when we die. Our bodies, if you notice do not. The dead in Christ rise first actually. If they are not in the ground where are they? Yet Jesus had a physical body as well as spiritual as He clearly stated and demonstrated...
  16. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    He rules the nations. When He comes, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdom of God. That is not now. Obviously. Don't call others confused when you grope in the dark so openly.
  17. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    As the commentary I posted said, we don't know. "The following question naturally ensues: do angels need to eat food like humans? Not likely, but again, the Bible doesn’t explicitly answer that. However, since angels are spirits, and do not inherently possess physical bodies, it can be deduced...
  18. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Yes we have a spiritual body when we die in heaven. We are eternal if saved. So the issue is why God raises bodies on earth also, later. My assumption is that our body in heaven is temporary (though we are eternal) until we return to earth with Him to have our former bodies raised up to meet Him...
  19. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    The equation is that we reign over this actual world and actual nations as the bible says, regardless of how qualified you think you are.
  20. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Well, if you are right, I was right in my assumption. I'll leave it at maybe we don't really know.