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  1. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    A denomination is not heaven. Nor is a brother always actually a brother. In the end for example we see many shall cleave to the believers with flatteries. In the 12 apostles one was not genuine and right with God in heart. In the early church there were similar issues. Just like in ancient...
  2. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Oh? When is that? Sheep actually never die. Not sure if you are conflating the final white throne judgment with the return of Jesus. There are plenty alive in the 1000 years. So you should be clear. That has what to do with the Rapture? You cite your guess as if it were certain. Since you...
  3. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Imagining that Jesus will not take up into the air those who believe in Him is not His ministry. He already spoke. Being cast from heaven or some church is not the same thing. Don't conflate your made up doctrines with anything God does.
  4. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Only in your mind were they left behind. The saved are taken into the air.
  5. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Was this little word salad leading to some point?
  6. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Except you made that up whole of cloth. Because you confate the saved and unsaved, naturally you don't know the difference here. No one is left behind, you are hammering unrelated verses to try to fit your personal doctrine.
  7. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    When will they come? Not at the Rapture. Not me. That is when they SEE Him return, and they have good reason to mourn. At the Rapture WE see Him. Yes and for OUR benefit. That does not mean He leaves sheep out in the forest and forsakes them. The Great Tribulation and the last seven years...
  8. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Yes in this time and in Paul's day, some were cut off from the body for grievous sins. That has nothing to do with the Rapture. Paul also mentioned that some were delivered to Satan to die so that their spirit would live. God does judge His children and discipline them. That does not mean...
  9. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    No. Nothing there says anything about a Rapture. The only verse that mentioned OT characters was 28 Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. He is talking...
  10. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    ALL are invited, He died for all. Whosoever will, let him come. No. It does not say the ten people were the kingdom of heaven. That is a parable showing what it is like. It is like we better get saved, rather than be like the foolish five. We get saved and then receive of His Spirit. That is...
  11. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    I saw nothing in those verses that talked about harvests. So we should consider what the passage means. 1 Corinthians 15:24 Then after Christ has destroyed all powers and forces, the end will come, and he will give the kingdom to God the Father. 1 Corinthians 15:25 Christ will rule until he...
  12. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Once they come to Him as He asks, then He works on them. He comes in and lives in them. They choose. He chooses those who choose Him.
  13. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    What verse makes you think that the people who were not invited in were also 'the kingdom of heaven'? You made that up. They had no salvation. It does not say they were saved. They were not saved/ready and so had no oil of course. Strange Strawman argument. I don't know about that sort of...
  14. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    That has what to do with a harvest? Where did it mention old testament believers? 1 Corinthians 15:23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 1 Corinthians 15:24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he...
  15. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    They had no oil of the Spirit, so any engagment was in name only. They were not saved. We already have oil if we are saved.
  16. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    It says nothing about any supper there. Why would you insert that?
  17. dad

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    So what commandments do you think are 'Jesus'' commandments?
  18. dad

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Claiming we keep the law is not the same as actually keeping it.
  19. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Great. I know. I give up, why? Say what? Is He lodging at the Bet Western? People choose Him, He gave us the choice. He does not force you to go to heaven. Yes it does. Those who choose Him are the chosen. He does not choose to people that are not saved, unless He knows they will choose Him...
  20. dad

    The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

    Why would someone that realizes the price Jesus paid 'climb in filth'? He washes us from sin. He gave His life for that. I am a saved man that is not so presumptuous as to think I am perfect.